IvanM

I see opinions and not points.

JackTheLad

I want the Gateway motorway extended to be nearer my house. Just an extra 12 Km south eastwards. That would make my commute to the city so much easier.

It's not my fault I bought a house 12 Km from the major arterial road into Brisbane. And the fact my house was alot cheaper than one nearer the city or the Gateway was just a bonus.

Can you all chip in a couple of $1000 to pay for it?

Thanks,

JTL

Is that a POINT or an opinion?

silver

I would suggest phrasing it that governments have run some operations less efficiently than the private sector... But the government intends to create and sell the NBN

silver

Sure, many will invest, IF its a toll road and charges the users an appropriate amount to make a return and your likely to get enough visitors..

the problem is I suspect its a bad risk because nobody will want to visit and we won't get a return....

spalen

Im getting confused who Im arguing with now, can we all start our posts with

" PRo NBN because Im a Communist and want to waste all your tax " or

"Anti NBN because Im sensible and can see a white hephalump when I see one"

It'd make it easier to know what to reply and whether to use smileys or Grrrrs!

Broad Shoulders

It is a point, but like our last exchange you are missing the point still.

Think about it this way. Australia is growing in population at a very fast rate. These people have to live somewhere and at the moment the people pretty much have no choice but to live in the metropoli of this country due to the lack of infrastructure. By building an information pipeline (NBN) the people in more remote areas (not necessarilly bush) have access to many more services and abilities to work away from the hussle and bussle. How many times do we hear "I'd love to live on The Sunshine Coast, but I just can't find any work up there"? By having an information infrastructure like the NBN, people are given more options other than the usual metropoli and therefore freeing up space and alleviating pressures on infrastructures in those overcrowded cities (like Gateway Motorways).

As I said in a much earlier post, which many people poo-pooed, this offers businesses the option to reduce their city or metropolis reliance for office space. Funnily enough, a week after making that prediction, the company I just left announced that they were introducing 'Agile Working' for exactly the reasons I gave.

Imagine not having to make that commute at all every day, how freed up would the roads be and likely less stressed those psycho QLD drivers would be??!!!

MartinLuther

The good old character assassination masquerading as an argument.

It's funny that they never portray the image the user wants

lapin_windstar

That's an entirely valid argument and I agree completely...if it's based on a sound strategy and supported by data and if the investment is targeted. But an "everyone, everywhere" approach doesn't do that.

My problem with NBN isn't that it's government investment per se, it's that it's indiscriminate government investment. I'm in favour of the federal and state governments building a high-speed Melbourne-Shepparton-Albury-Canberra-Sydney rail link (in principle) but that doesn't mean I'm in favour of building a railway line to Yuendumu.

JackTheLad

And the money we save from not commuting we pay for everyone else in the sticks to have super fast broadband

I don't commute every day, I work using NextG wireless, and it works just fine. I think the network can grow organically without the government getting involved. But socialist governments can't stop themselves.

JTL

And one final thing, Metropolis is a greek word, the plural of which is Metropolodes. It would be Metropoli if it was latin, but it's not, it's greek.
I'll go back to pedant central now

Broad Shoulders

Which one is it? You either suffer from split personality syndrome or this is the wife and husband posting under the same username again.

Broad Shoulders

BTW, if you are going to be a smart arse and be pedantic about those things, at least be right

http://dictionary.reference.com/brow...ises?qsrc=2446

IvanM

No one wants to go to your house so nahhhhhhhhhh.

IvanM

When the commie jibes come out I think the sensible debate has gone. The communist jibe has been falsely used in the past to smear and destroy people.

Another way is

"I am pro NBN because I want Australian business on its best competitive footing and as productive as can be to generate wealth for more Australians."

The key here is how much that is worth and whether the taxpayer gets a pay off. The idea this is a battle of communism versus the capitalism is as laughable as wireless is an acceptable medium to network a business on.

If you want communism that is fine.

IvanM

NBN is not about fibre to every home. If you read about it there are vast expanses of Australia that will have to be covered by alternate technologies. NBN is about putting towns and suburbs on fribre. The other part is putting in a competitive backbone network.

Until the Basslink went in it cost more for a circuit from Hobart to Melbourne than from Melbourne to Tokyo. Basslink was lit this year.

There is some misinformation going around on this. I suggest people read on it themselves and certainly not listen to those resorting to commie jibes.

IvanM

Next G is a thousands of times better than what was there before ie dialup if you were lucky or sat. The problem is the signal varies according to geography, latency is high and there is packet loss, especially on high packet sizes.

I used to administer PCs on about 15 Next G sites and it took a lot more work to keep those sites maintained to standard. Then one day the signal would go. Call Telstra and you were told there were no guarantees with Next G. A month later the signal was back. The sites had a backup sat link which is much more painful.

My point is that NextG maybe fine for checking up on E-mail and browsing whilst travelling but it is not a business grade service where you need high availability and a good quality link. The bandwidth is only part of the story.