MartinLuther

DARPA?

lapin_windstar

Why do they have to be covered? And why do they have to be covered by the government?

This is the problem with the NBN. It skips considering these two questions and just assumes that it is A Good Thing and that it's up to the government to provide it.

spalen

No - Im using an example of telepresence as a highly intensive application that would not even drive 100meg to the home. Even if people wanted to do full life size broadcast quality video conferencing.

Productivity and competitiveness for what precisely? are you expecting all the homes in australia to open up server farms ? or start live sharing gigabyte video between themselves?

IvanM

There are a few models around showing broadband penetration increases increasing GDP. Using your example Telepresence would reduce the necessity for travel. The time spent travelling can be better utilised and the space freed on aircraft can be used for other purposes. It is the ABC of economic growth. At home people will have far more choice on TV, if they want. Telepresence may not be financially viable but fibre will carry higher def web cam sessions. I am on the web cam at least once a week. As the standards develop and become more prevalent I can see the capability being built into TVs.

From my own work perspective I currently operate on a fully meshed fibre network. It is so easy to do my work in far less time. last year the same operations on network that connected to whatever was available was a nightmare. Two small examples.

What matters is whether the sum of economic gains, plus the returns from revenue and privatisation beat the cost. The other essential part is the privatisation is done competently with a decent regulatory framework to avoid creating another Telstra.

I doubt server farms at home will happen but it will give your home business better access to server farms and more opportunity to trade and operate across the net. A big winner from the price reduction in fibre will be small business.

The economic benefits are without doubt. What is in doubt is overall return. You have your opinion based on your opinion. I am witholding mine until I see decent figures.

IvanM

I thought it was all about HD porn. Who would have thought the net came about before torrents. Next someone will tell me business, government and education connect up to the net.

Centurion

They do. But only to surf porn. Its a circular argument.

JackTheLad

I am right, I too can check the internet where the plural of metropolis is stated as metroploses or metropolii. But anyone who has studied the entymology of the word knows the correct plural is metropolodes.

Your a bit late in the game to discover you can't trust everything you read on the web.

JTL

JackTheLad

I don't think my company would be too amused if all I did all day was check email and browse the web

With my NextG connection I maintain databases, fix networks,remote in to users machines, run sql remotely etc etc, all on a nextg connection. What part of it is not 'business grade'?

And another thing, I just watched the latest episode of BBC's Click programme and they showed the new 3g My-FI device that has 4 antennae and can keep the signal alot better than current my-fi/3g connections. So as expected, technology is making it even better.

JTL

spalen

and yet nobody has invented 100meg streaming 3d immersive porn - until they do, then the nbn is a folly

Broad Shoulders

Pity your grasp on English isn't as good as your Greek.

You are right, that may well be the Greek way of spelling the plural, however it is not the anglicised way of saying it, as any English dictionary will tell you

JackTheLad

So you reckon the plural of octopus is octopii do you? (Hint: Look that one up on your infallible internet)

If you're going to use a greek word and pluralise it, at least learn the proper plural form.

JTL

Broad Shoulders

No, I don't. But thanks for answering your own question on my behalf.

I do realise now that the plural of Metropolis is not metropoli, but in English it is not Metropolodes either. It may be in Greek, but not in English. Maybe you should check it up in your infallible Encyclopedia Britannica? You know? The same one that tells you that Glasgow was the first underground railway in the world

Anyway, as usual you seem to love taking these threads off topic to get away from your futile arguments

JackTheLad

I'm not taking the thread off-topic. I'm simultaneously correcting your posts and explainig why we don't need a government (i.e. taxpayer) NBN.

I'd love this thread to stay on-topic. Now that we've cleared up the metropoli v metropolodes debate.

JTL

IvanM

Maybe research haptics. The technology is there.

spalen

I saw that one of the independents (oakenfield?) had his team prepare a briefing for him based on the input from local council etc on what they needed to negotiate etc for the decision on who to support - "What are our priorities"

Broadband was not mentioned. They discussed this and decided that what they needed was investment and trade tarriff that incented people to buy australian local produce possibly using some sort of carbon taxation offset for transportation of foodstuffs . They did not need faster email or kids games running, it was not a priority compared to the other priorities and needs.

edit : It was here - bob katter