View Poll Results: Is the NBN a good idea?
Yes, the faster the better
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Is the NBN a good idea or mental?
Aug 23rd 2010, 11:59 pm
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Re: Is the NBN a good idea or mental?
JTL NBN is not about your ability to download donkey porn. It is about business enablement. Thinking of NBN is for home use is like thinking a motorway is just for those in sports cars to go fast.
"The in it for me" is higher business productivity that a decent network gives business, education, government and other institutions.
As to point on Sat. If it were just paddocks needing it then NBN would not be the agenda. Next G has helped but that has its weaknesses and is really only good for a couple of people sharing a link and not good enough for business to operate.
"The in it for me" is higher business productivity that a decent network gives business, education, government and other institutions.
As to point on Sat. If it were just paddocks needing it then NBN would not be the agenda. Next G has helped but that has its weaknesses and is really only good for a couple of people sharing a link and not good enough for business to operate.
Strange as it sounds, I actually think my laptop machine on NextG is faster at home than the one I have sitting unused in work.
So what are these business benefits we'll all get from coughing up $15,000. And even if there are some slim benefits, why doesn't BUSINESS pay for it?
I remember about 10 years ago there was a company in central london, and they offered to connect businesses to the trunk with fibre optic cable. I was stupid enough to invest in them. I think they've gone bust now.
JTL
Aug 24th 2010, 12:15 am
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Re: Is the NBN a good idea or mental?
I work from home on a laptop that connects to my work network via Next G.
Strange as it sounds, I actually think my laptop machine on NextG is faster at home than the one I have sitting unused in work.
So what are these business benefits we'll all get from coughing up $15,000. And even if there are some slim benefits, why doesn't BUSINESS pay for it?
I remember about 10 years ago there was a company in central london, and they offered to connect businesses to the trunk with fibre optic cable. I was stupid enough to invest in them. I think they've gone bust now.
JTL
Strange as it sounds, I actually think my laptop machine on NextG is faster at home than the one I have sitting unused in work.
So what are these business benefits we'll all get from coughing up $15,000. And even if there are some slim benefits, why doesn't BUSINESS pay for it?
I remember about 10 years ago there was a company in central london, and they offered to connect businesses to the trunk with fibre optic cable. I was stupid enough to invest in them. I think they've gone bust now.
JTL
Aug 24th 2010, 12:23 am
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Aug 24th 2010, 12:26 am
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Aug 24th 2010, 12:28 am
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Re: Is the NBN a good idea or mental?
Having researched Labour's plans for the National Broadband Network, it sounds amazing. Superfast download speeds etc.
A couple of problems though:
Its already costed at $42 billion (assuming that will blow out to $60 billion). So that's about $15,000 for every single tax payer. Even after paying that, you don't get it for free...
Do we need gigabyte download speeds? I'm happy enough at the moment that I can download a 1 hour programme in 10 minutes. I can start watching it live in about 30 seconds as it downloads in the background.
Broadband is always going to improve anyway. Slowly, thats fine, what is it with the 'great leap forward' stuff? 5 years from now I'm sure, left to market forces, broadband will be 2 or 3 times faster than it is now.
Alot of the comments I've been reading about this NBN have been from typical farmers out in woop woop land complaining they need superfast broadband. But hang on, didn't they choose to live in the sticks, and now they wants us all to pay $15,000 so they can have as good broadband as city dwellers? Next they'll be wanting foxtel to lay 200Km of cable to their farm as well.
I'm all for good broadband and internet for everyone, but it has to be within reason. If they chose to live 200Km from civilization, they can't expect us all to pay $15,000 so he can watch movies on his laptop.
What do you think of the NBN?
JTL
A couple of problems though:
Its already costed at $42 billion (assuming that will blow out to $60 billion). So that's about $15,000 for every single tax payer. Even after paying that, you don't get it for free...
Do we need gigabyte download speeds? I'm happy enough at the moment that I can download a 1 hour programme in 10 minutes. I can start watching it live in about 30 seconds as it downloads in the background.
Broadband is always going to improve anyway. Slowly, thats fine, what is it with the 'great leap forward' stuff? 5 years from now I'm sure, left to market forces, broadband will be 2 or 3 times faster than it is now.
Alot of the comments I've been reading about this NBN have been from typical farmers out in woop woop land complaining they need superfast broadband. But hang on, didn't they choose to live in the sticks, and now they wants us all to pay $15,000 so they can have as good broadband as city dwellers? Next they'll be wanting foxtel to lay 200Km of cable to their farm as well.
I'm all for good broadband and internet for everyone, but it has to be within reason. If they chose to live 200Km from civilization, they can't expect us all to pay $15,000 so he can watch movies on his laptop.
What do you think of the NBN?
JTL
"640K ought to be enough for anybody"
"I think there is a world market for about five computers."
Get rid of copper and put fibres in.
Let's do whatever they did in South Korea.
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Aug 24th 2010, 12:36 am
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Re: Is the NBN a good idea or mental?
Nothing is future proof. If anything, the first adopters look laughable 30 years later.
As an example, the first underground was in Glasgow. God love it, but its tiny, cramped and smelly. Look at something designed and built 50 years later, say, Hong Kongs MTR. Its amazing, clean, large, efficient.
The first adopters of any technology, be it trains, undergrounds or wireless, end up looking like idiots 50 years later. So Australia want to look like the idiots of the 21st Century
JTL
As an example, the first underground was in Glasgow. God love it, but its tiny, cramped and smelly. Look at something designed and built 50 years later, say, Hong Kongs MTR. Its amazing, clean, large, efficient.
The first adopters of any technology, be it trains, undergrounds or wireless, end up looking like idiots 50 years later. So Australia want to look like the idiots of the 21st Century
JTL
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Aug 24th 2010, 12:41 am
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Re: Is the NBN a good idea or mental?
Good dog
Seriously, if HD TV takes off, and 3d TV takes off, and Dolby 7.1 takes off, and Business teleconferencing takes off then there might be a need for it.
But video teleconferencing was the BIG idea of the early 1990's. I had it in the company I was working with back then. We had teleconferences with our coleagues in the US. But it didn't replace real meetings, aside from the fact my manager kept zooming in on womens breasts, which make it really hard to talk seriously to them.
(he never did realise that there was an insert on their screen so they could see what he was looking at, which was generally breasts
)I still don't think teleconferencing will ever work. It's just a 'we can do it, so we will' NBN project. Pointless.
JTL
Aug 24th 2010, 12:42 am
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Aug 24th 2010, 12:48 am
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Re: Is the NBN a good idea or mental?
Ah! The ol' Wikipedia cop-out. Don't you just love it.
Thank god I don't rely on Wikipedia either. I rely on stuff I pick up in the real world. Not from someone who lived in Glasgow.
I wonder where you got your "real" facts from? 
Thank god I don't rely on Wikipedia either. I rely on stuff I pick up in the real world. Not from someone who lived in Glasgow.
I wonder where you got your "real" facts from?
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Aug 24th 2010, 12:56 am
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Oh and another thing.... 'still doing very well'?
I lived and worked in London in 2002, I lived near the tube line, 1 hours walk from my work.
I know it is a 1 hours walk, because at least on 20 occasions in a 6 month period I had to WALK, because the tube was broken or shut down or wrong kind of rats on the line.
The point is, look at singapore or hong kong or japan, their subways would blow away anything the 'first adopters' of new technology have. In this case subways.
But the same will be true for NBN, it'll be cutting edge for about a month after it's been designed, then everyone overtakes us, and we're left broke, and complaining about rats on the fibre optic line.
JTL
Aug 24th 2010, 12:57 am
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Oh and another thing.... 'still doing very well'?
I lived and worked in London in 2002, I lived near the tube line, 1 hours walk from my work.
I know it is a 1 hours walk, because at least on 20 occasions in a 6 month period I had to WALK, because the tube was broken or shut down or wrong kind of rats on the line.
The point is, look at singapore or hong kong or japan, their subways would blow away anything the 'first adopters' of new technology have. In this case subways.
But the same will be true for NBN, it'll be cutting edge for about a month after it's been designed, then everyone overtakes us, and we're left broke, and complaining about rats on the fibre optic line.
JTL
I lived and worked in London in 2002, I lived near the tube line, 1 hours walk from my work.
I know it is a 1 hours walk, because at least on 20 occasions in a 6 month period I had to WALK, because the tube was broken or shut down or wrong kind of rats on the line.
The point is, look at singapore or hong kong or japan, their subways would blow away anything the 'first adopters' of new technology have. In this case subways.
But the same will be true for NBN, it'll be cutting edge for about a month after it's been designed, then everyone overtakes us, and we're left broke, and complaining about rats on the fibre optic line.
JTL
So in a 100 years will the HK metro still be doing as well as the recently built Harare one? Would you then call HK one of the early adopters (if you were still alive)?
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Aug 24th 2010, 1:02 am
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I got that from the encylopedia brittanica. I'm right, you're wrong phhhhhhh
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Aug 24th 2010, 1:05 am
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Re: Is the NBN a good idea or mental?
Do you believe everything the American's tell you?
Aug 24th 2010, 1:07 am
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http://www.spt.co.uk/subway/about_the_subway.aspx
If your claim that it opened 3 months prior to the London Underground were correct then that would put it as opening in 1862, not 63.
FYI, the London Underground opened on 10th Jan 1863.
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Aug 24th 2010, 1:14 am
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Funny, as even the operators of the Glasgow Underground claim it wasn't opened until 1896
http://www.spt.co.uk/subway/about_the_subway.aspx
If your claim that it opened 3 months prior to the London Underground were correct then that would put it as opening in 1862, not 63.
FYI, the London Underground opened on 15th Jan 1863.
http://www.spt.co.uk/subway/about_the_subway.aspx
If your claim that it opened 3 months prior to the London Underground were correct then that would put it as opening in 1862, not 63.
FYI, the London Underground opened on 15th Jan 1863.
The system is not the oldest underground railway in Glasgow itself; that distinction belongs to a 5 km (3.1 mi) section of the Glasgow City and District Railway opened in 1863, now part of the North Clyde Line of the suburban railway network,
So if we leap into this NBN, in about 30 years people will laugh at us.
JTL
P.S. Glasgow had the first underground railway