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Old Mar 20th 2014, 9:07 am
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Hmm, well maybe.

I've superimposed what some people have been suggesting as they squint - but personally I'd have wanted better info before I redirected everything, I hope they have some better secret data.
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
MMGW is the new religion - there is just as much hysteria on the pro side. Denying it is akin to heresy now

Read, research, draw your own conclusions. I've done that and realise that MMGW is not happening - which is contrary to what the opinion of the herd is

Works for me

Each to their own
I'm bitterly disappointed with the whole MMGW thing. 10 years ago we were told the polar caps were melting & by 2014 sea levels would have risen to the point that many of the coastal towns would be underwater.
Based upon that I bought a block on top of a hill 30k from the ocean expecting it to come to me, I'm still waiting.
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Originally Posted by GarryP
Hmm, well maybe.

I've superimposed what some people have been suggesting as they squint - but personally I'd have wanted better info before I redirected everything, I hope they have some better secret data.
Well I don't think there's any way the vertical stabiliser is 24m high/long. Not even close to that.
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Old Mar 20th 2014, 9:21 am
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Originally Posted by bcworld
Well I don't think there's any way the vertical stabiliser is 24m high/long. Not even close to that.
Me neither, it's 18m apparently as the total height of the aircraft - which makes the tail about half that. However the correspondence has been suggested - so I put the comparison together.
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Old Mar 20th 2014, 11:05 am
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Originally Posted by Wol
Exactly.
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Aggghhhh !!!!

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Absolutely.

Nowhere is this more apparent than in the worldwide "debate" over climate change. The agenda of disinformation being spread by the coal, oil and gas industry (hundreds of millions of dollars) is very successful. Not only do the hysterical shock jocks like Limbaugh and Jones spread "facts" that they do not comprehend, but blogs are filled with deniers cutting and pasting the same few discredited "facts" ad nauseam.

Anyone who takes just a few minutes to follow the trails, and who Googles the *real* science will realise how the public is being misled. Exactly the same sort of herd ignorance is being shown, as you say, in the MH370 episode.

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We seem to be moving on from blaming the Malaysian govt and a possible series of cockups (I think it's still too early to say) to the fact that the press are just churning out the latest in a series of leads in the investigation as is there right.

One lead is that data was deleted from a flight sim.
Right! All possible- all good. It's just filler. It might be nothing - like someone clearing out a TMP folder to the actual runway found. Until you have exhausted leads you don't know - and sometimes a lead is re-visited. Some of the leads will not be reported yet.

AirFrance took years to find and recover and they knew approximately where it went down.
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Originally Posted by cresta57
I'm bitterly disappointed with the whole MMGW thing. 10 years ago we were told the polar caps were melting & by 2014 sea levels would have risen to the point that many of the coastal towns would be underwater.
Based upon that I bought a block on top of a hill 30k from the ocean expecting it to come to me, I'm still waiting.
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Same with me - I want beachfront on the cheap

Then there's that Australia-hating, socialist moron Flannery who a few years ago said that it would never rain again on the east coast of Australia - just before the biggest floods in living memory
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
Same with me - I want beachfront on the cheap

Then there's that Australia-hating, socialist moron Flannery who a few years ago said that it would never rain again on the east coast of Australia - just before the biggest floods in living memory
Tim [nice but dim]?
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Originally Posted by cresta57
Tim [nice but dim]?
One and the same
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Old Mar 20th 2014, 2:07 pm
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Originally Posted by bcworld
Well I don't think there's any way the vertical stabiliser is 24m high/long. Not even close to that.
24m is a little less than the length of one wing on a 777.
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
Same with me - I want beachfront on the cheap

Then there's that Australia-hating, socialist moron Flannery who a few years ago said that it would never rain again on the east coast of Australia - just before the biggest floods in living memory
I didn't intend to hijack the thread by bringing up the MMGW thing, I just mentioned that the amount of speculative cr*p that's been floating around this last thirteen days WRT MH370 bears a striking resemblance.
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Originally Posted by Wol
I didn't intend to hijack the thread by bringing up the MMGW thing, I just mentioned that the amount of speculative cr*p that's been floating around this last thirteen days WRT MH370 bears a striking resemblance.
Fair enough. There certainly is a lot of speculation and guessing out there - especially on BE
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Can't help feeling that sending Orions out with six hours out/back and only two hours loiter is a waste of resources. Cheaper and far more effective to send a 744 with perhaps fifty people looking out of the windows and perhaps eight hours on station.
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Originally Posted by Wol
Can't help feeling that sending Orions out with six hours out/back and only two hours loiter is a waste of resources. Cheaper and far more effective to send a 744 with perhaps fifty people looking out of the windows and perhaps eight hours on station.

Yes, and imagine if they had been based at Adelaide - this wouldn't have been possible.

Oh, hang on...


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Originally Posted by Wol
Can't help feeling that sending Orions out with six hours out/back and only two hours loiter is a waste of resources. Cheaper and far more effective to send a 744 with perhaps fifty people looking out of the windows and perhaps eight hours on station.
The P3 has a radar that can detect a submarine periscope - so picking these objects up should be easier. Also has advanced electro-optic sensors, FLIR and sonar buoys. You don't get that on a 747. The P3 can also fly very low safely

Its cruise speed is low though, which is where the P8 has an advantage - also has better sensors
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Originally Posted by Swerv-o
Yes, and imagine if they had been based at Adelaide - this wouldn't have been possible.

Oh, hang on...


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