Margaret Thatcher is dead
#196
Well said.
I would be most interested to know just how many of the "anti" posters were actually working and paying taxes in the 1970s, pre-Thatcher?
I'm certainly not saying I was a Thatcher fan but I think the demonising based on so much hearsay and banner headlines. Would anyone care to offer a similar appraisal of Jim Callaghan's time as PM?
I would be most interested to know just how many of the "anti" posters were actually working and paying taxes in the 1970s, pre-Thatcher?
I'm certainly not saying I was a Thatcher fan but I think the demonising based on so much hearsay and banner headlines. Would anyone care to offer a similar appraisal of Jim Callaghan's time as PM?

Looking at the news footage tonight & seeing 20 yr old students cracking champaign in the street to celebrate the death of someone suddenly makes me ashamed to be British. Hell most of those weren't even born while she was in office.
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I think you are missing the point of what you yourself said here.
The economy was not good (though not as bad as often painted) and the workers were suffering through the policies imposed on them - often by a clueless management.
How do you deal with that? Do you build, fix, make better? Not if you are thatcher and you are on an ideological crusade. You instead attack those workers even more. You grind their noses into the dust, kill off their jobs, kill off their communities, send in the police to stamp on what's left. You destroy.
You then allow your mates in the city to get richer off the back of lax regulation and get rich quick schemes - giving up manufacturing and industry for fraud. You undoubtedly make the country more unequal (as shown by the Gini index graph) - screwing those workers for your mates in the city.
For those that had a job, and as a direct result of thatcher, didn't even have a community - you sure as hell made the poor poorer.
As I said before, it takes no skill, no knowledge, no intelligence, to destroy - and that is exactly what thatcher did.
Why do the right try and claim that their central figures are responsible for 'the fall of communism'. It was the changes implemented by Gorbachev, pure and simple. The right wing figures didn't help in the slightest, quite the opposite.
The economy was not good (though not as bad as often painted) and the workers were suffering through the policies imposed on them - often by a clueless management.
How do you deal with that? Do you build, fix, make better? Not if you are thatcher and you are on an ideological crusade. You instead attack those workers even more. You grind their noses into the dust, kill off their jobs, kill off their communities, send in the police to stamp on what's left. You destroy.
You then allow your mates in the city to get richer off the back of lax regulation and get rich quick schemes - giving up manufacturing and industry for fraud. You undoubtedly make the country more unequal (as shown by the Gini index graph) - screwing those workers for your mates in the city.
For those that had a job, and as a direct result of thatcher, didn't even have a community - you sure as hell made the poor poorer.
As I said before, it takes no skill, no knowledge, no intelligence, to destroy - and that is exactly what thatcher did.
Why do the right try and claim that their central figures are responsible for 'the fall of communism'. It was the changes implemented by Gorbachev, pure and simple. The right wing figures didn't help in the slightest, quite the opposite.

What is hilarious about this thread is that the raging true blues naturally assume that anyone who doesn't agree with them is of course from the loony left and has crawled out of the woodwork. Narrow minded, or what?
Take a long hard look at yourselves people before you go mud slinging at others.
Very easy for us to sit in our comfortable homes and purge ourselves on an anonymous forum in a faraway country from the UK don't you think? Let the people have their street parties, the majority feel they need to and who the hell are we to judge anyway, we buggered off out of there!!
#198
Wilson, Callaghan, Kinnock, Blair, Brown. They all did better did they????
Brown did more to put the UK in the crap than Maggie ever did.
Funny how the passing of the Messrs above will probably go unnoticed!
Brown did more to put the UK in the crap than Maggie ever did.
Funny how the passing of the Messrs above will probably go unnoticed!
#199
It's funny how the sponging low-life lefty scum have crawled out of their hovels to celebrate and kick Margaret Thatcher now that she has passed away. They obviously don't have a job like most responsible people who are working to pay their entitlements. Just look at all the bile coming out of the usual lefty armchair socialists here.
Margaret Thatcher was a beacon of integrity who stood for freedom and the ability for individuals to better themselves. Basically, everything the Left hates. She showed up the socialists for what they really are - backward looking, anti-wealth, layabout retards who would rather see the poor get poorer, just so the rich could be a little less rich.
She took on the Unions agitators like that idiot Scargill who called a miners strike in the spring when coal stocks were at their highest. By the end of the second Thatcher term in 1987 the British economy had been transformed through all her anti-socialist policies from the sick man of Europe and from a country on it's uppers going cap in hand to the IMF to a country with a buoyant economy that was the envy of Europe.
The real tragedy is the rest of the stupid Torys got rid of her allowing the socialists to get back in (Tony Blair & speech impaired Brown) and to pretty much bankrupt the country again after she had saved it from oblivion, as well as opening the immigration floodgates to all the third-world riff-raff that Labour could find to rub in the noses of the British people because they kept voting Margaret in for 11 years.
A true stateswoman. May she Rest in Peace.
Margaret Thatcher was a beacon of integrity who stood for freedom and the ability for individuals to better themselves. Basically, everything the Left hates. She showed up the socialists for what they really are - backward looking, anti-wealth, layabout retards who would rather see the poor get poorer, just so the rich could be a little less rich.
She took on the Unions agitators like that idiot Scargill who called a miners strike in the spring when coal stocks were at their highest. By the end of the second Thatcher term in 1987 the British economy had been transformed through all her anti-socialist policies from the sick man of Europe and from a country on it's uppers going cap in hand to the IMF to a country with a buoyant economy that was the envy of Europe.
The real tragedy is the rest of the stupid Torys got rid of her allowing the socialists to get back in (Tony Blair & speech impaired Brown) and to pretty much bankrupt the country again after she had saved it from oblivion, as well as opening the immigration floodgates to all the third-world riff-raff that Labour could find to rub in the noses of the British people because they kept voting Margaret in for 11 years.
A true stateswoman. May she Rest in Peace.
Highlights of this post for me include Tony Blair being a socialist, Margaret Thatcher being a beacon of integrity, compulsory mention of "lefties" and managing to shoe-horn in some anti-immigration rhetoric. Excellent work.
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I wasn't working in the 70's that doesn't mean I can't remember the power cuts, the three day week, the constant strikes or threat of strikes, the rubbish piled high in the streets & Jim Callaghan saying there was no crisis
Looking at the news footage tonight & seeing 20 yr old students cracking champaign in the street to celebrate the death of someone suddenly makes me ashamed to be British. Hell most of those weren't even born while she was in office.

Looking at the news footage tonight & seeing 20 yr old students cracking champaign in the street to celebrate the death of someone suddenly makes me ashamed to be British. Hell most of those weren't even born while she was in office.

I think some of the young people are there protesting about the damage that has been left for them.
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People keep talking about Callaghan and strikes prior to Thatcher's office but very few are mentioning the riots, devastation, 3 million unemployed, Black Wednesday in 87 and the interest rates of 15.4 percent in 89/90. Which foolishly I paid! Remember Harry's grotesque "Loadsamoney " character? That philosophy broke Britain and who advocated it? That would be the one and only Maggie, and where did she die? The Ritz. I rest my case. Peace and harmony to all you posters out there.
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Must get my 'loony lefty layabout arse' to bed as have nursing work to do tomorrow and must not be drawn into any more ridiculous arguments with you lovely people! Up the revolution! Hahahaha
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This is from another site:
Margaret Thatcher was the most divisive and polarising politic leader of the last century. This is an incomplete list of why many of us fall on the side that does not regard her with anything other than odium…
1. She supported the retention of capital punishment
2. She destroyed the country's manufacturing industry
3. She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws
4. She abolished free milk for schoolchildren ("Margaret Thatcher, Milk Snatcher")
5. She supported more freedom for business (and look how that turned out)
6. She gained support from the National Front in the 1979 election by pandering to the fears of immigration
7. She gerrymandered local authorities by forcing through council house sales, at the same time preventing councils from spending the money they got for selling houses on building new houses (spending on social housing dropped by 67% in her premiership)
8. She was responsible for 3.6 million unemployed - the highest figure and the highest proportion of the workforce in history and three times the previous government. Massaging of the figures means that the figure was closer to 5 million
9. She ignored intelligence about Argentinian preparations for the invasion of the Falkland Islands and scrapped the only Royal Navy presence in the islands
10. The poll tax
11. She presided over the closure of 150 coal mines; we are now crippled by the cost of energy, having to import expensive coal from abroad
12. She compared her "fight" against the miners to the Falklands War
13. She privatised state monopolies and created the corporate greed culture that we've been railing against for the last 5 years
14. She introduced the gradual privatisation of the NHS
15. She introduced financial deregulation in a way that turned city institutions into avaricious money pits
16. She pioneered the unfailing adoration and unquestioning support of the USA
17. She allowed the US to place nuclear missiles on UK soil, under US control
18. Section 28
19. She opposed anti-apartheid sanctions against South Africa and described Nelson Mandela as "that grubby little terrorist"
20. She support the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and sent the SAS to train their soldiers
21. She allowed the US to bomb Libya in 1986, against the wishes of more than 2/3 of the population
22. She opposed the reunification of Germany
23. She invented Quangos
24. She increased VAT from 8% to 17.5%
25. She had the lowest approval rating of any post-war Prime Minister
26. Her post-PM job? Consultant to Philip Morris tobacco at $250,000 a year, plus $50,000 per speech
27. The Al Yamamah contract
28. She opposed the indictment of Chile's General Pinochet
29. Social unrest under her leadership was higher than at any time since the General Strike
30. She presided over interest rates increasing to 15%
31. BSE
32. She presided over 2 million manufacturing job losses in the 79-81 recession
33. She opposed the inclusion of Eire in the Northern Ireland peace process
34. She supported sanctions-busting arms deals with South Africa
35. Cecil Parkinson, Alan Clark, David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer, Jonathan Aitkin
36. Crime rates doubled under Thatcher
37. Black Wednesday – Britain withdraws from the ERM and the pound is devalued. Cost to Britain - £3.5 billion; profit for George Soros - £1 billion
38. Poverty doubled while she opposed a minimum wage
39. She privatised public services, claiming at the time it would increase public ownership. Most are now owned either by foreign governments (EDF) or major investment houses. The profits don’t now accrue to the taxpayer, but to foreign or institutional shareholders.
40. She cut 75% of funding to museums, galleries and other sources of education
41. In the Thatcher years the top 10% of earners received almost 50% of the tax remissions
42. 21.9% inflation
Margaret Thatcher was the most divisive and polarising politic leader of the last century. This is an incomplete list of why many of us fall on the side that does not regard her with anything other than odium…
1. She supported the retention of capital punishment
2. She destroyed the country's manufacturing industry
3. She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws
4. She abolished free milk for schoolchildren ("Margaret Thatcher, Milk Snatcher")
5. She supported more freedom for business (and look how that turned out)
6. She gained support from the National Front in the 1979 election by pandering to the fears of immigration
7. She gerrymandered local authorities by forcing through council house sales, at the same time preventing councils from spending the money they got for selling houses on building new houses (spending on social housing dropped by 67% in her premiership)
8. She was responsible for 3.6 million unemployed - the highest figure and the highest proportion of the workforce in history and three times the previous government. Massaging of the figures means that the figure was closer to 5 million
9. She ignored intelligence about Argentinian preparations for the invasion of the Falkland Islands and scrapped the only Royal Navy presence in the islands
10. The poll tax
11. She presided over the closure of 150 coal mines; we are now crippled by the cost of energy, having to import expensive coal from abroad
12. She compared her "fight" against the miners to the Falklands War
13. She privatised state monopolies and created the corporate greed culture that we've been railing against for the last 5 years
14. She introduced the gradual privatisation of the NHS
15. She introduced financial deregulation in a way that turned city institutions into avaricious money pits
16. She pioneered the unfailing adoration and unquestioning support of the USA
17. She allowed the US to place nuclear missiles on UK soil, under US control
18. Section 28
19. She opposed anti-apartheid sanctions against South Africa and described Nelson Mandela as "that grubby little terrorist"
20. She support the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and sent the SAS to train their soldiers
21. She allowed the US to bomb Libya in 1986, against the wishes of more than 2/3 of the population
22. She opposed the reunification of Germany
23. She invented Quangos
24. She increased VAT from 8% to 17.5%
25. She had the lowest approval rating of any post-war Prime Minister
26. Her post-PM job? Consultant to Philip Morris tobacco at $250,000 a year, plus $50,000 per speech
27. The Al Yamamah contract
28. She opposed the indictment of Chile's General Pinochet
29. Social unrest under her leadership was higher than at any time since the General Strike
30. She presided over interest rates increasing to 15%
31. BSE
32. She presided over 2 million manufacturing job losses in the 79-81 recession
33. She opposed the inclusion of Eire in the Northern Ireland peace process
34. She supported sanctions-busting arms deals with South Africa
35. Cecil Parkinson, Alan Clark, David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer, Jonathan Aitkin
36. Crime rates doubled under Thatcher
37. Black Wednesday – Britain withdraws from the ERM and the pound is devalued. Cost to Britain - £3.5 billion; profit for George Soros - £1 billion
38. Poverty doubled while she opposed a minimum wage
39. She privatised public services, claiming at the time it would increase public ownership. Most are now owned either by foreign governments (EDF) or major investment houses. The profits don’t now accrue to the taxpayer, but to foreign or institutional shareholders.
40. She cut 75% of funding to museums, galleries and other sources of education
41. In the Thatcher years the top 10% of earners received almost 50% of the tax remissions
42. 21.9% inflation
#206
It's funny how the sponging low-life lefty scum have crawled out of their hovels to celebrate and kick Margaret Thatcher now that she has passed away. They obviously don't have a job like most responsible people who are working to pay their entitlements. Just look at all the bile coming out of the usual lefty armchair socialists here.
Margaret Thatcher was a beacon of integrity who stood for freedom and the ability for individuals to better themselves. Basically, everything the Left hates. She showed up the socialists for what they really are - backward looking, anti-wealth, layabout retards who would rather see the poor get poorer, just so the rich could be a little less rich.
She took on the Unions agitators like that idiot Scargill who called a miners strike in the spring when coal stocks were at their highest. By the end of the second Thatcher term in 1987 the British economy had been transformed through all her anti-socialist policies from the sick man of Europe and from a country on it's uppers going cap in hand to the IMF to a country with a buoyant economy that was the envy of Europe.
The real tragedy is the rest of the stupid Torys got rid of her allowing the socialists to get back in (Tony Blair & speech impaired Brown) and to pretty much bankrupt the country again after she had saved it from oblivion, as well as opening the immigration floodgates to all the third-world riff-raff that Labour could find to rub in the noses of the British people because they kept voting Margaret in for 11 years.
A true stateswoman. May she Rest in Peace.
Margaret Thatcher was a beacon of integrity who stood for freedom and the ability for individuals to better themselves. Basically, everything the Left hates. She showed up the socialists for what they really are - backward looking, anti-wealth, layabout retards who would rather see the poor get poorer, just so the rich could be a little less rich.
She took on the Unions agitators like that idiot Scargill who called a miners strike in the spring when coal stocks were at their highest. By the end of the second Thatcher term in 1987 the British economy had been transformed through all her anti-socialist policies from the sick man of Europe and from a country on it's uppers going cap in hand to the IMF to a country with a buoyant economy that was the envy of Europe.
The real tragedy is the rest of the stupid Torys got rid of her allowing the socialists to get back in (Tony Blair & speech impaired Brown) and to pretty much bankrupt the country again after she had saved it from oblivion, as well as opening the immigration floodgates to all the third-world riff-raff that Labour could find to rub in the noses of the British people because they kept voting Margaret in for 11 years.
A true stateswoman. May she Rest in Peace.
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Well I've booked next Wednesday off so I can watch the coffin go by. I need to be sure she's dead and isn't going to come back. Then I'm going to go out and celebrate again with my mates in the City I feel a few more bottles of champaign will be in order.
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This is from another site:
Margaret Thatcher was the most divisive and polarising politic leader of the last century. This is an incomplete list of why many of us fall on the side that does not regard her with anything other than odium…
1. She supported the retention of capital punishment
2. She destroyed the country's manufacturing industry
3. She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws
4. She abolished free milk for schoolchildren ("Margaret Thatcher, Milk Snatcher")
5. She supported more freedom for business (and look how that turned out)
6. She gained support from the National Front in the 1979 election by pandering to the fears of immigration
7. She gerrymandered local authorities by forcing through council house sales, at the same time preventing councils from spending the money they got for selling houses on building new houses (spending on social housing dropped by 67% in her premiership)
8. She was responsible for 3.6 million unemployed - the highest figure and the highest proportion of the workforce in history and three times the previous government. Massaging of the figures means that the figure was closer to 5 million
9. She ignored intelligence about Argentinian preparations for the invasion of the Falkland Islands and scrapped the only Royal Navy presence in the islands
10. The poll tax
11. She presided over the closure of 150 coal mines; we are now crippled by the cost of energy, having to import expensive coal from abroad
12. She compared her "fight" against the miners to the Falklands War
13. She privatised state monopolies and created the corporate greed culture that we've been railing against for the last 5 years
14. She introduced the gradual privatisation of the NHS
15. She introduced financial deregulation in a way that turned city institutions into avaricious money pits
16. She pioneered the unfailing adoration and unquestioning support of the USA
17. She allowed the US to place nuclear missiles on UK soil, under US control
18. Section 28
19. She opposed anti-apartheid sanctions against South Africa and described Nelson Mandela as "that grubby little terrorist"
20. She support the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and sent the SAS to train their soldiers
21. She allowed the US to bomb Libya in 1986, against the wishes of more than 2/3 of the population
22. She opposed the reunification of Germany
23. She invented Quangos
24. She increased VAT from 8% to 17.5%
25. She had the lowest approval rating of any post-war Prime Minister
26. Her post-PM job? Consultant to Philip Morris tobacco at $250,000 a year, plus $50,000 per speech
27. The Al Yamamah contract
28. She opposed the indictment of Chile's General Pinochet
29. Social unrest under her leadership was higher than at any time since the General Strike
30. She presided over interest rates increasing to 15%
31. BSE
32. She presided over 2 million manufacturing job losses in the 79-81 recession
33. She opposed the inclusion of Eire in the Northern Ireland peace process
34. She supported sanctions-busting arms deals with South Africa
35. Cecil Parkinson, Alan Clark, David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer, Jonathan Aitkin
36. Crime rates doubled under Thatcher
37. Black Wednesday – Britain withdraws from the ERM and the pound is devalued. Cost to Britain - £3.5 billion; profit for George Soros - £1 billion
38. Poverty doubled while she opposed a minimum wage
39. She privatised public services, claiming at the time it would increase public ownership. Most are now owned either by foreign governments (EDF) or major investment houses. The profits don’t now accrue to the taxpayer, but to foreign or institutional shareholders.
40. She cut 75% of funding to museums, galleries and other sources of education
41. In the Thatcher years the top 10% of earners received almost 50% of the tax remissions
42. 21.9% inflation
Margaret Thatcher was the most divisive and polarising politic leader of the last century. This is an incomplete list of why many of us fall on the side that does not regard her with anything other than odium…
1. She supported the retention of capital punishment
2. She destroyed the country's manufacturing industry
3. She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws
4. She abolished free milk for schoolchildren ("Margaret Thatcher, Milk Snatcher")
5. She supported more freedom for business (and look how that turned out)
6. She gained support from the National Front in the 1979 election by pandering to the fears of immigration
7. She gerrymandered local authorities by forcing through council house sales, at the same time preventing councils from spending the money they got for selling houses on building new houses (spending on social housing dropped by 67% in her premiership)
8. She was responsible for 3.6 million unemployed - the highest figure and the highest proportion of the workforce in history and three times the previous government. Massaging of the figures means that the figure was closer to 5 million
9. She ignored intelligence about Argentinian preparations for the invasion of the Falkland Islands and scrapped the only Royal Navy presence in the islands
10. The poll tax
11. She presided over the closure of 150 coal mines; we are now crippled by the cost of energy, having to import expensive coal from abroad
12. She compared her "fight" against the miners to the Falklands War
13. She privatised state monopolies and created the corporate greed culture that we've been railing against for the last 5 years
14. She introduced the gradual privatisation of the NHS
15. She introduced financial deregulation in a way that turned city institutions into avaricious money pits
16. She pioneered the unfailing adoration and unquestioning support of the USA
17. She allowed the US to place nuclear missiles on UK soil, under US control
18. Section 28
19. She opposed anti-apartheid sanctions against South Africa and described Nelson Mandela as "that grubby little terrorist"
20. She support the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and sent the SAS to train their soldiers
21. She allowed the US to bomb Libya in 1986, against the wishes of more than 2/3 of the population
22. She opposed the reunification of Germany
23. She invented Quangos
24. She increased VAT from 8% to 17.5%
25. She had the lowest approval rating of any post-war Prime Minister
26. Her post-PM job? Consultant to Philip Morris tobacco at $250,000 a year, plus $50,000 per speech
27. The Al Yamamah contract
28. She opposed the indictment of Chile's General Pinochet
29. Social unrest under her leadership was higher than at any time since the General Strike
30. She presided over interest rates increasing to 15%
31. BSE
32. She presided over 2 million manufacturing job losses in the 79-81 recession
33. She opposed the inclusion of Eire in the Northern Ireland peace process
34. She supported sanctions-busting arms deals with South Africa
35. Cecil Parkinson, Alan Clark, David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer, Jonathan Aitkin
36. Crime rates doubled under Thatcher
37. Black Wednesday – Britain withdraws from the ERM and the pound is devalued. Cost to Britain - £3.5 billion; profit for George Soros - £1 billion
38. Poverty doubled while she opposed a minimum wage
39. She privatised public services, claiming at the time it would increase public ownership. Most are now owned either by foreign governments (EDF) or major investment houses. The profits don’t now accrue to the taxpayer, but to foreign or institutional shareholders.
40. She cut 75% of funding to museums, galleries and other sources of education
41. In the Thatcher years the top 10% of earners received almost 50% of the tax remissions
42. 21.9% inflation
Under Healey VAT reached 25%.
Tony Blair's post PM jobs - roaming ambassador to Kaskastahan & Uzbekistan, owner of a web of 30 secretive companies, £250,000 a speech.
Iraq.
Afghanistan.
NF/BNP always flourish most under Labour governments.
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