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Re: ISo 6 update
Originally Posted by knockoff nige
(Post 10300135)
Jeez, stop being a knuckle dragger. The evidence is there that they have been innovators and that their current iphone is faster than any other phone.
Android isnt a device, it is a platform on many devices. But that seems to be a tactic you like to use. Excuse the facts, throw in a bit of bullshit and see how it goes. I'm really amazed at your ignorance. Apple just won a massive case against Samsung as Samsung copied their design. Were you on Mars that day? Everything I've said is true, and not in any way bullshit (which rather seems to be your thing). Apple won because the jury failed massively - which is another one of the reasons why the patent system is considered broken. If you haven't even done the research to find out just how bad that jury was, you need to go do some reading. Bye bye |
Re: ISo 6 update
Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 10300235)
If you won't listen, then there is no point talking.
Everything I've said is true, and not in any way bullshit (which rather seems to be your thing). Apple won because the jury failed massively - which is another one of the reasons why the patent system is considered broken. If you haven't even done the research to find out just how bad that jury was, you need to go do some reading. Bye bye The jury failed, the patent system failed. That is all your opinion mate. Tell me again why a drop test needs to include cases? |
Re: ISo 6 update
Originally Posted by knockoff nige
(Post 10300237)
Come on, a simple search will show you the iphone out performing android phones in speed and display.
I've also gone through, in detail, how 'close to the metal' approaches allow more efficient usage of hardware (the iphone5 is a 1GHz dual core ARM chip, those are budget level) but at the cost of flexibility and good design decisions. I've shown how those design decisions mean limits on the display, no true multi-tasking, no widgets, etc. that put a crimp on apple device into the future - the inability to change the platform far and fast enough to be where they need to be because of the compatibility issues with their app base. You keep trying to make it a fanboi effort - whereas I'm just pointing up that apple have some significant shortcomings to go with their high level packaging and marketing capabilities. If you want to say they are great at those, I'd be the first to agree. They are just ANOther phone/computer manufacturer, not the messiah. For many/most there are better options out there. |
Re: ISo 6 update
Originally Posted by knockoff nige
(Post 10300237)
Come on, a simple search will show you the iphone out performing android phones in speed and display.
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Re: ISo 6 update
Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 10300305)
A simple search would have told you that Android device outsell Apple devices, significantly. Trying to play they "they are all different devices" on market share is trying to avoid the reality that one platform has the majority of the market share, and one is a closed, proprietary platform.
I've also gone through, in detail, how 'close to the metal' approaches allow more efficient usage of hardware (the iphone5 is a 1GHz dual core ARM chip, those are budget level) but at the cost of flexibility and good design decisions. I've shown how those design decisions mean limits on the display, no true multi-tasking, no widgets, etc. that put a crimp on apple device into the future - the inability to change the platform far and fast enough to be where they need to be because of the compatibility issues with their app base. You keep trying to make it a fanboi effort - whereas I'm just pointing up that apple have some significant shortcomings to go with their high level packaging and marketing capabilities. If you want to say they are great at those, I'd be the first to agree. They are just ANOther phone/computer manufacturer, not the messiah. For many/most there are better options out there. I'll say it again, Android is a platform, not a device. Not difficult to understand. The iPhone is faster because of how well it utilises its own software, that's something I said on page one. You make the point that the iPhone is too restrictive but that's not something I experience as, I guess I'm not looking for a phone that makes my breakfast, walks the dog and puts me to bed. It does many things brilliantly. I'm not a fanboi but I do see your posts to be more anti apple than pro android. I think that's a valid point. You say for many/most, there are better options out there. But that's just more ignorance. Widgets, ha! Still avoiding my questions I see. |
Re: ISo 6 update
Originally Posted by furbacchione
(Post 10300337)
Didn't you mention splitting hairs earlier. The speed amounts to a few seconds if and i mean if, there is a speed advantage by either...
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Re: ISo 6 update
Originally Posted by knockoff nige
(Post 10300353)
The point is important as the hardware is utilised better which should be important to customers who are in the market for a phone and want something that has had more thought in design than another which has a bunch of spec thrown into it.
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Re: ISo 6 update
Originally Posted by moneypenny20
(Post 10300539)
From that statement I would have to take it that you think design is more important than decent spec which I find odd and why I'll stick with the Samsung. However I do have to say I prefer the design of the Samsung. Each to his own. I've never understood why Apple lovers can't bear to hear that others aren't so enamoured.
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Re: ISo 6 update
Originally Posted by knockoff nige
(Post 10300353)
The point is important as the hardware is utilised better which should be important to customers who are in the market for a phone and want something that has had more thought in design than another which has a bunch of spec thrown into it.
To me this obsessive determination by apple to stomp on the competition through legal bullying is the writing on the wall that their dominance is starting to crumble and they know it. Like I said no one would notice the second or two quicker that either can boot up quicker than the other or render a high def pic... But on the other hand people are noticing the iphone is a battery hog by comparison. |
Re: ISo 6 update
Originally Posted by knockoff nige
(Post 10300097)
They generally re-think things and deliver a product that works out of the box which is targeted at users who want to know how to use it without reading anything.
It's also relatively easy to develop product when you're the only one allowed to develop it and refine it. The rest of the computing world chose and or was legally forced to try to work together and thus there are more variables that need to be sorted out. Instead of one manufacturer you have tens of thousands all adding to the mix. And right now it appears they're getting the recipe right. Windows 8 looks like a very flexible platform that will usher in a new direction for ultra book/tablets/smartphone all on one devices. I can truly imagine that you'll be able to buy a windows phone that will slot into a tablet body and be able to clip on a full sized keyboard in the not to distant future. And it will all run real application, not the useless baby sitting shit offered on phones and tablets right now - applications not available to apple products. Android is really maturing well and samsung are trying to produce a multitude of products for a varied public - who would have thought galaxy note would have been so popular. I don't think samsung really did either but they're a company that produces broad range of options and it's paying off now. The tech world is really on the move and apple is trying to hold back the flood with a load legal bullying bullshit and an arrogant enclave building attitude. I see them as being relegated to their historical 10% niche market within 15 years. |
Re: ISo 6 update
Originally Posted by knockoff nige
(Post 10300237)
Tell me again why a drop test needs to include cases?
Because everyone one puts their phones in cases... Therefore it's a significant factor in the overall performance. I seem to recall that a case was an absolute necessity for both iPhone 4s or you stood a real good chance of breaking the glass on either, or both, sides of the phone if it were dropped. As was the case for many... |
Re: ISo 6 update
As some of you would know there are two long term competing ideas in the IT world.
Option A. Bill Gates and Microsoft have been the torch bearer for writing the operating system/software and allowing other companies to provide the hardware to run it. Option B. Steve Jobs and Apple have been the torch bearers for creating both the hardware and operating system/software so they can be made perfect for each other. Gates proved his point by having the most market share doing it his way but Jobs argued that his way led to more innovation and better products, but always had a far smaller market share. Google has followed the Microsoft way and are having good succes. Apple continues with its way and has good success. It could swing either way in the future but given the Microsoft way has dominated in the past there is a good chance it will again. Both ways have involved masses of innovation and masses of copying/refining. Both ways have made massive contributions to the IT industry. Both ways have been first and last. Both ways have hugely influenced the other. This whole Android v Apple thing seems to have made extremists out of intelligent people to the point people make totally unbalanced comparisons. Use what you want and accept others who prefer something different aren't all morons. |
Re: ISo 6 update
Originally Posted by knockoff nige
(Post 10300237)
Come on, a simple search will show you the iphone out performing android phones in speed and display.
The jury failed, the patent system failed. That is all your opinion mate. Tell me again why a drop test needs to include cases? |
Re: ISo 6 update
Originally Posted by fish.01
(Post 10300785)
As some of you would know there are two long term competing ideas in the IT world.
Option A. Bill Gates and Microsoft have been the torch bearer for writing the operating system/software and allowing other companies to provide the hardware to run it. Option B. Steve Jobs and Apple have been the torch bearers for creating both the hardware and operating system/software so they can be made perfect for each other. Gates proved his point by having the most market share doing it his way but Jobs argued that his way led to more innovation and better products, but always had a far smaller market share. Google has followed the Microsoft way and are having good succes. Apple continues with its way and has good success. It could swing either way in the future but given the Microsoft way has dominated in the past there is a good chance it will again. Both ways have involved masses of innovation and masses of copying/refining. Both ways have made massive contributions to the IT industry. Both ways have been first and last. Both ways have hugely influenced the other. This whole Android v Apple thing seems to have made extremists out of intelligent people to the point people make totally unbalanced comparisons. Use what you want and accept others who prefer something different aren't all morons. Lets face it, the relative difference between the iphone 5 and GS3 is so marginal, and any advantages one has over the other will be superseded by something else within the next year anyway. When you compare these phones to mobiles 5-10 years ago the technology from all compnaies is simply phenomenal. We're all winners. I personally can't stand the apple ethos and never have (I hated them before it was cool to hate them :p) but you can't deny they make some great kit that make a lot of people happy. You're really not going to change the mind of anyone who has spent the last few years immersing themselves in the apple eco-system so I find its best to just let them get on with it. |
Re: ISo 6 update
Pfft, I was being perfectly balanced. I said the iPhone 5 shits on the S3 :p
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