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Help needed. Upped my iPhone this morning and now cannot connect to home wifi - any suggestions? Chhers

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Dump it (it's a fashion accessory) and get a real phone like a Samsung Galaxy 3

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lol. my iphone4 contract ends early next year and thinking of galaxy s3

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ah .... you beat me to it

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Get an iphone 5. It shits on the S3

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not according to nearly all independent reviews

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Well its faster and thinner than any other smart phone and came out much better in a drop test between it and the S3. Plus, I'm not believing that you've read nearly all independent reviews.

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Well, actually, the thickness is 7.6mm compared to 8.6mm - so not a lot in it.

And in the benchmarks of the proper version of the SIII, it beats the iphone 5
http://www.sammobile.com/2012/09/22/...in-benchmarks/

As far as drop tests are concerned, you really need to test in cases - although the iphone 5 has done away with the stupidity of the glass back - although adding in the stupidity of a metal back so it can't have NFC. Eventually it will have to go plastic to incorporate NFC.

And, of course, the SIII is much cheaper than the iphone 5

In Android terms the iphone 5 would be a high end budget to mid range phone. Just look at what the Huawei G330 specs are, compared to the iphone 5 - and it is very much a cheap budget phone.

http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_ascend_g330-4966.php

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Specs are irrelevant. Whats important is performance and experience.

The S3 does not out perform the iPhone 5 on its currently available operating system.

IOS 6 is a far more stable and snappier OS and apps are always going to be faster on it than Android.

The iPhone is a far better looking device than the seriously ugly S3.

Why is NFC important when it's really not used anywhere?

Also, that 1mm is significant when you actually hold the iPhone 5. Having used is for a weekend now, it's most definitely the best phone I've used.

Samsung are desperate to pack their devices with stuff as thats what they're seeing as what people want from market research. The reason Apple are so successfull is because they do zero market research. Just like the famous Henry Ford saying, if he asked people what they wanted, they'd say a faster horse.

Also, why do cases have to be considered in the drop test?

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You are of course entitled to your personal opinion, but most people who aren't apple fanbois are tending to say the opposite. Ios6 is a bit of an old hat OS, with many features that they haven't copied from Android yet. You are right that OS and apps are much 'closer to the metal' than Android, which allows them to make the best of the hardware they do have. However the quid pro quo is they trap themselves into poor design decisions that a better designed software structure (such and Android) avoids. The reason they have only just crept up to a 4" screen is because of that lack of design - which is also why you don't have 720p or 4.5"+ screens.

Personally I'd say the SIII even beats the iphone5 for looks - although I tend to buy on capabilities and price rather than pretties.

NFC being important? Well, haven't you seen the NFC at the supermarket checkout, or on Myki? Won't be long before the interoperability catches up and you need it.

The iphone 5 maybe the best iphone you've used, but it certainly isn't the best phone out there (by an obvious margin).

To top it off, it is a walled garden of restrictions and lack of choice. To those that don't feel the chains it maybe OK - but I value having the freedom to pick and tailor to my precise needs - shiny Top Shop suit vs bespoke made to measure.

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Just to clear something up here, I'm not a fanboi of anyone. I don't have to have the latest and greatest and I don't orgasm over one company doing better than another. That stuff is silly.

I was in the market for a new phone and hung on for the iphone 5 to come out as I have invested in IOS apps and like the IOS experience.

Yes, I'm entitled to my opinion but it is not an opinion that Apple have engineered a device/OS combination that utilises hardware much more effectively than any Android phone.

The 720P on the S3 is also irrelevant as the iphone as a higher pixel density for the screen size that actually allows one hand use. Thats an important phone feature if you ask me.

What are the poor design decisions of the iPhone 5?

NFC is just another feature that people might need in the future and assume that it's important to have now for the rush of companies/devices in a hurry to incorporate it. The reason its not so popular right now is because the iphone doesnt have it, simple. As soon as the Apple include it, companies will be all over it. But who needs it? I am as keen to have it as much as my Paypass on my debit card. I would prefer to not have it at all as to avoid any security concerns.

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I had a look at the IP5 at the Apple store on Friday. It's a beautiful phone, but after using the Note and SG3, you realise that it really is a fashion accessory. Apparently there are major issues with its mapping software and Gmail and Facebook integration. Also, black versions are being shipped with scratches and scuff marks on them - not good when Apple are promoting the IP5 as the best thing since stripey toothpaste.

Stick to a proper phone maker like Samsung.

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Well one, the one behind this area, is fixed screen resolutions/aspect ratios. Because they built down to the metal they have been stuck with either pixel doubling, or the latest fix, adding in a bit longer on one axis, and having black bars on apps.

Do it properly, with resolutions and aspect ratio independence, and you can have any resolution/aspect ratio - and apps which are designed to take advantage of it.

And because those chose badly with the iphone 1 - that base resolution was not one that was either widescreen or a submultiple of HD resolutions. That's why it matters, if you want to watch video content on it - you are having to rescale and resample to turn HD video files into something that fits, never a good idea.

While the abstraction of Android costs some small amount the efficiency compared to coding to the metal - it does yield significant advantages as time goes by. The VM, the screen abstraction, the true multi-threading, multi-core - doing it right, all help in the long term.

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You are absolutely splitting hairs now. Developers can choose to upgrade their apps or not to. The aspect ratio worked just fine. Plus, it's a bit irrelevant when many movies are super wide, which is not ideal for any current smart phone.

Anyway, a phone is not simply for watching movies.In fact, thats probably what I'd do the least on it.

If it's important to you and you see movie file type and DRM being an issue, the iphone can actually be just as flexible as any, other than for removable storage. I'd like to know just why people would need more than 64gb in their pocket at all times. Your entire music/movie library? Come on.

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Previously - had I or my wife been in the market for a new phone we would probably have plumped for the iPhone.

Our house, cars and work spaces are populated by apple charger devices and duplicating this to handle a different standard is more of a hassle than any different between devices is worth.

However, Apple it seems, have picked up the shotgun - pointed it squarely in their own faces and pulled the trigger. the IP5 has a different connector?! So all of a sudden the one thing keeping me tied to apple products (vendor lock in) has gone.

Rest assured the next time a phone or tablet is needed it seems an Android device may well be 'the go'.


[Unfortunately my current phone is dictated by work and I have to carry around a Blackberry. After a couple of years of iPhone use with my previous employer I feel like I've been returned to the mid 90's. I lost a useful 'multi-function device' and gained a mobile phone instead :frown:]

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So hang on, you'll move to a different phone which also has a different connector? You should buy the phone you want but seems a bit silly to do it based on a connector.

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It's not splitting hairs, its basic to how they work (or don't).

Apple took a good, capable OS (BSD) and have made it worse with their design decisions. Those decisions have limited the platform, as compatibility concerns coupled with those decisions have stopped them from 'doing it right'.

Either they eventually fix those problems, which means going the same way as Android, or you are stuck with a platform that gets steadily more obsolete over time. They are already more than a generation behind - and you won't have a truly new generation of their phone till they bite that particular bullet.

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MicroUSB is a standard - apple's gobuyeverythingagainorpayusforanadapter plug is pointless in this context. They should have gone that standards complient route, rather than trying to rort the consumer.

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Article on one of the news websites about an ex-Apple hotshot who is slating Apple for their new connector. Why go for their own design when they could have easily gone for micro-USB? You can get these for $2 on eBay and they fit so many other devices. I have loads - in the office, around the house, car etc. I can plug our phones or Kindles in anywhere to charge, but would be a pain if you have an Apple fashion accessory.

It's just another case of the cult of Apple, and their 'we know best, take it or leave it' attitude.

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Explain to me how IOS is worse. Ignoring the lack of pointless widgets.

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If the connector is important to you, you'll be more impressed with the new iphone connector than the micro usb. It's only available for 1 device right now but it is superior to everything else.

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But whats wrong with that attitude? Surely they'd lose if their arrogance wasn't working? People want their products, people who don't want them don't have to buy them. It seems to me that the people who are most passionate about this iPhone/S3 debate are those who hate Apple.

I'm not being blind just because I want an iPhone. Like i said, I've used the S3 and didn't like it. If I thought it was a better phone, I'd have bought one.

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Hate is a strong word, but I do dislike Apple and its cult

You sound pretty passionate to me ;)........

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Well, the widgets aren't pointless for one - its something that apple with have to copy eventually. And the resolution dependence in the display is as bad as I've painted. To this you can add there lack of a proper multitasking/multithreading approach, the poor nature of their launcher, the proprietary hardware, the closed nature of their market, the lack of tailoring that's possible.

Oh, and the silly, extreme overpricing.

It's one example of their closed nature, their desire for control of the peripherals, and the closed nature of the platform. There is literally no point to it, other than the above aspects.

They will still have to provide an adapter for microUSB in the end - its mandated by the EU for chargers.

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s3 kinda feels bulky on the palm and the front pocket.

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But IOS out performs Andoid which means Android are playing catch up. Why are widgets important? The aspect ratio is probably a personal choice thing.

The micro USB on your camera, hard drive, webcam, dancing desk flower is unlikely to fit your phone as vendors usually change the size to their devices. What Apple has done is really no different to that. Other than make it much better and reversible.

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I actually agree - but its OK in a back pocket, or coat pocket - and the nice big screen makes it almost a phablet.

If you are going to high resolutions it only makes sense to go to bigger screen sizes - the benefit is much greater than over resing the screen. Remember the only reason for apple typing to hype/con their 'retina' display was because they HAD to go to that particular resolution - 250-300dpi is about the max that's practically useful.

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It simply doesn't.

The practical proof is on Android, where you get a choice of launcher, there are obviously ios copies. They don't get much take up because they don't compare well to the alternatives.

Err, no, it's a standard.

You can plug any MicroUSB connector in, and since Android is more open, you have a good chance of making it work via drivers - not just slave mode, but host mode. People have playstation controller hooked up and working.

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Yes it does. Google it.

Regarding the connector, I didn't say all devices are specific to the vendor.

How are widgets important, again?

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As I say, you're entitled to your personal opinion - I'm just pointing up the empirical evidence that when people have a choice, they chose better.

You tried to say that microUSB connectors weren't a standard, that there was variation. Point is, the EU mandate that everything has them, so everything is moving that way. Its certainly much more of a standard than anything apple, and will only become more so. It does mean that there is real competition, which is why you pay $3 for a micro USB charger, and $30 for an apple adapter.

Wouldn't buy a smartphone that didn't have them. Key to a usable experience, your UI should be more than an app tray.

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I'll take back my pointing the microusb as I was under the impression that the connector varied between vendors. The new apple one is superior though.

If the iPhone 5 outperforms any current android phone, surely IOS is proving itself to be worthy. The available apps obviously makes it a winner. Android is too fragmented and a nightmare for developers.

Surely you can do a better job at explaining how useful widgets are?

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So with all the dick waiving...apart from the link I first posted...have any of you actually helped the OP fix the iOS6 wifi problem?

And the maps really are ungodly shit in comparison to the old google ones and well slow.

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Yes, we suggested a different phone :p

Yes, maps are rubbish compared to google maps.

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This is a good question - I have just discovered (this morning) that my project rolling out 1500 iOS devices into a commercial setting is in mortal peril thanks to the crappiness of iOS6, hanging on by a fluke of good luck and firewall ruling! :(

Let hope apple release some kind of patch that fixes the problem soon!

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IOS 6.0 has more holes than Swiss cheese! Battery life alone is severely compromised so unless you really need it wait for 6.0.1 when it should be sorted. Currently it's barely beta quality.

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i dont understand widgets

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They sit in the bottom of cans to make stout froth up better.

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Small programs that run within the launcher to give you direct access to information and control of particular apps, without selecting and running that app - and having it take total control of your screen to the exclusion of all else.

So you can see the current news, weather, new emails, control music playback, see how much credit is left on your mobile account, turn off wifi, see what the traffic is going to do to your commute, see your diary for the day, how the £ is doing against the $, and what's worthwhile watching on TV - all from one screen, at a glance.

Think user defined dashboard.

For a mobile device, its more just sensible for the use case - its basically a requirement for a 'smart' device. You can tell those who have migrated over from iphones because they populate their homescreen with just icon links, rather than taking full advantage of widgets and what they can do for you.

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I still don't know why my password for wifi at home still won't work on my iPhone at home since upgrading. Not going to upgrade the iPad until I can sort it out :)