Invasion of privacy - why do Ozzies put up with it?
Feb 23rd 2009, 11:04 am
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Re: Invasion of privacy - why do Ozzies put up with it?
Technically you have entered their premises on false pretences.
You entered the shop on the understanding that they could look in your bag, and you accepted that.
But in reality you never had any intention of doing so.
Personally if I don't like a rule that a shop has, I go somewhere else.
I think it would be wrong to 'pretend' to accept their rules.
You entered the shop on the understanding that they could look in your bag, and you accepted that.
But in reality you never had any intention of doing so.
Personally if I don't like a rule that a shop has, I go somewhere else.
I think it would be wrong to 'pretend' to accept their rules.
Generally I wouldn't notice any signs as I don't look around the shop entrance to see if it has any conditions of entry. As I said before, if they have reasonable suspicion that I may have stolen something and I feel that they are justified then I would open my bag otherwise, NO.
Feb 23rd 2009, 11:07 am
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Re: Invasion of privacy - why do Ozzies put up with it?
You can't really be comparing the potential threat of a terrorist/gun attack to a supermarket maybe catching a petty thief with a bar of chocolate or such like!
Feb 23rd 2009, 11:09 am
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Re: Invasion of privacy - why do Ozzies put up with it?
Believe me they rummage, only at KMart and very occasionally Target. Some days they will get down and try to get every single item out and really pull it around - even though it obviously disturbs the baby. Having 3 young children my pram is large and I think that spurs them into action. They get this gleam in their eyes......
I dont allow it now but I think I was in shock the first couple of times and just sort of watched in disbelief
I think thats what started my complete irritation at the whole thing. Its like in the UK I had this complete hatred of lolly pop ladies, bouncing out in the middle of the road like overweight crazed attackers with that bloody big stick. I cant stand them.
I dont allow it now but I think I was in shock the first couple of times and just sort of watched in disbelief
I think thats what started my complete irritation at the whole thing. Its like in the UK I had this complete hatred of lolly pop ladies, bouncing out in the middle of the road like overweight crazed attackers with that bloody big stick. I cant stand them.
Feb 23rd 2009, 11:11 am
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Re: Invasion of privacy - why do Ozzies put up with it?
It's the principle I'm against - that's why I refuse. They need to employ store detectives or use other means to catch dishonest people - as most first world countries do.
Feb 23rd 2009, 11:12 am
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Re: Invasion of privacy - why do Ozzies put up with it?
Believe me they rummage, only at KMart and very occasionally Target. Some days they will get down and try to get every single item out and really pull it around - even though it obviously disturbs the baby. Having 3 young children my pram is large and I think that spurs them into action. They get this gleam in their eyes......
I dont allow it now but I think I was in shock the first couple of times and just sort of watched in disbelief
I think thats what started my complete irritation at the whole thing. Its like in the UK I had this complete hatred of lolly pop ladies, bouncing out in the middle of the road like overweight crazed attackers with that bloody big stick. I cant stand them.
I dont allow it now but I think I was in shock the first couple of times and just sort of watched in disbelief
I think thats what started my complete irritation at the whole thing. Its like in the UK I had this complete hatred of lolly pop ladies, bouncing out in the middle of the road like overweight crazed attackers with that bloody big stick. I cant stand them.
I might fill up a big bag with filthy undies - really rank stinking ones perhaps with a kipper thrown in for good measure. Then let them search the bag.
Feb 23rd 2009, 11:13 am
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Re: Invasion of privacy - why do Ozzies put up with it?
Oh come on. If you are speaking of security issues then that is a completely different kettle of fish.
Feb 23rd 2009, 11:15 am
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Re: Invasion of privacy - why do Ozzies put up with it?
I got told off by a lollipop lady the other day. I automatically slowed down and stopped at the zebra crossing outside a school. Mrs Lollipop stood on the pavement and waved me on looking very cross and fierce
Feb 23rd 2009, 11:18 am
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Re: Invasion of privacy - why do Ozzies put up with it?
Believe me they rummage, only at KMart and very occasionally Target. Some days they will get down and try to get every single item out and really pull it around - even though it obviously disturbs the baby. Having 3 young children my pram is large and I think that spurs them into action. They get this gleam in their eyes......
Casual check of your trolley in a supermarket or...
See where the guns are pointing...
Feb 23rd 2009, 11:22 am
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Feb 23rd 2009, 11:25 am
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Re: Invasion of privacy - why do Ozzies put up with it?
It is also common in the USA.
Feb 23rd 2009, 11:26 am
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Re: Invasion of privacy - why do Ozzies put up with it?
Not sure which is worse:
Casual check of your trolley in a supermarket or...
See where the guns are pointing...
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/200...11_468x353.jpg
Casual check of your trolley in a supermarket or...
See where the guns are pointing...
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/200...11_468x353.jpg
Feb 23rd 2009, 11:30 am
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Feb 23rd 2009, 11:31 am
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Re: Invasion of privacy - why do Ozzies put up with it?
They quite often catch shoplifters without brains, for putting stolen goods in the bags, hence they check them
We caught a few ourselves, and seemingly respectable people too, which surprised me at first.
Most Australians put up with it because it is the law, and because most people are happy to prove they have done nothing wrong. It takes but a few seconds.
The check-out till people can do nothing very little about it though, and most criminals know this, and will refuse to allow their bags to be searched.
This indicates their guilt to most people watching.
We caught a few ourselves, and seemingly respectable people too, which surprised me at first.
Most Australians put up with it because it is the law, and because most people are happy to prove they have done nothing wrong. It takes but a few seconds.
The check-out till people can do nothing very little about it though, and most criminals know this, and will refuse to allow their bags to be searched.
This indicates their guilt to most people watching.
When I can be bothered, I refuse point blank and say that they have no right. Only the police have that right, and they can call the cops if they wish.
However, it really is a long time since I could be bothered.
Last edited by Ozzidoc; Feb 23rd 2009 at 11:40 am.
Feb 23rd 2009, 11:32 am
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Re: Invasion of privacy - why do Ozzies put up with it?
My brother has lived in the US for over 25 years and it has never happened to him either.
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Feb 23rd 2009, 11:34 am
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Re: Invasion of privacy - why do Ozzies put up with it?
A store can only ask to look in your bag IF they have a sign saying they reserve the right to at the entrance or in the front window. If they dont have a sign, they dont have the right.