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Sorry I didnt know you had sat in on the trials of the Bali 9 ringleaders, you must have as you and only you can have an opinon about the Indonesian govts 100% corruption.

Saying respect the laws of a country has nothing to do with if they are guilty or not.

Abbot and Bishops televised address around 7am this morning.

My view on things, Sons a Paramedic, see it from that side :blink:

Winning, nope drugs usually only have losers, unless you import them and get away with it.

Opinions. Dont post threads if all you want is yes beoz Indonesia is totally corrupt and these are lovely boys. Would they be so lovely if they had not been banged up in jail the last 10 years, wonder what else they might have still been doing? Yes they may have given up drug lording and started painting and preaching. Or they might have still been making millions out of selling drugs. We will never know.

So I will stick to what I said all along.

Respect the laws of the Country you are going to. And in particular if you dont agree with the laws of the country you are visiting, dont dabble with them.

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Yep, not only is BE dominated by lefties, anti-Australians and the JAWP, it's also educational

It still astonishes me that a fully loaded Valemax ore carrier even floats

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I really don't get this whole 'oh they've been rehabilitated' line that's come out again and again. It's generally rather difficult to be a drug trafficker if you're holed up in a prison. It is however, very easy to say 'hey look, I'm a Pastor/I paint let me out I'm a good boy now' whilst wearing smart white shirts and appear to behave like choirboys. I call bullshit but then I've not had the pleasure of meeting them.

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You've lost me. Except for the bit when you say respect the laws in ones country. OK I'll try to do that when I'm in Indonesia in a couple of weeks. But should I fall foul of the law I'll be sure to have a big bag of cash ready and on hand to buy my way to a better sentence.

When it comes to sentencing, should that really be the right way to protect those affected by drug abuse?

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Well it was said earlier that Indonesia doesn't see its correctional facilities as a place of rehabilitation to its kind of a moot point. If it were here I guess they would be considered rehabilitated.

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Seriously?

In the US someone who kills another person, just one person, can get the electric chair.

Those in the filthy drug trade don't kill one person, they kill LOADS of people, they ruin and wreck the lives of countless families with the filth that they peddle.

So IMO they are even more suitable candidates for the chair or a firing squad. They are the worst scum out there. They wanted to profit from the agony and despair of countless other families that would have been affected if they had been successful. Drug-related problems are unfortunately ripping apart the fabric of society.

I am not a fan of the death sentence, not by a long mile. But if a country has such a system then it's for a reason: DO NOT DEAL DRUGS. Plain and simple.

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Anyone can fool the world into thinking they are reformed if they try hard enough. And if they think their lives depend on it, they'll try.
I know a drug dealer who became a brn again Christian cos it got him out of jail quicker. Two years later he was back in again for dealing heroin at the gates of a school - to the kids.

At the end of the day, in my extremely humble opinion, there are two separate issues here.

shppuld the death penalty exist? Should a government have the right to take someone's life? Thats a huge debate, but I think its separate from the one a lot of people have ignored when discussing this case (not just on BE).

These guys CHOSE to carry drugs,
They CHOSE to be drug dealers.
They KNEW what the penalty was for drug dealing in that country.
When you travel to another country you abide by its laws - we as expats know that only too well. So if you chose to break the laws of the country you are in, you pay the penalty that country sets.

I feel sorry for their famiies. They didn't ask to be related to drug dealers. They had no choice.
I don't feel sorry for the dealers. They chose to do it.

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For everyone saying they knew the laws of the country, they suffer the penalty of the crime they commit - what are your thoughts on young women being jailed, stoned or beheaded because their rape is considered adultery? The person who is jailed when their cheque bounces, or they're involved in an accident that isn't their fault? The list goes on and on - sometimes punishment does not fit the crime and in my opinion - the death sentence should never be the punishment for any crime.

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Bloody good question. I do giggle when people say "I am against the death penalty but these guys knew what they were doing" Or "Criminals like this are faking their rehabilitation and they will just commit more crimes". A very simplistic way of looking at things.

Whats the point in prison if you cannot strive to rehabilitate an offender? If you don't believe in or strive rehabilitation then you might as well have the death penalty. Martyn Bryant case in point. He will never be released. Maybe he should be put to the firing squad.

And then back to your question of stoning women for adultery. For sure ..... for consistency sake, keep it happening ..... after all they knew the laws of their country (he says sarcastically of course)

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The women did NOT choose to be raped, it is of course an absolute outrage how they are punished.

Drug traffickers DID choose to traffic drugs. They did it of their own will for financial gain, with full knowledge of the amount of lives heroin ruins. They also knew the penalty of the Country they were operating in.

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Raped women and Drug traffickers are the same in your book then.

Sarcastic or not, probably the most distasteful comment I have seen on BE.

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But they may have chosen to live or visit a country where that's the penalty for adultery - how many hundreds of thousands of people stop over in Dubai every year, book into a hotel room with someone of the opposite sex who they're not married to, drink in a private residence without a liquor license, smooch in public?....and how outraged is the rest of the world when they're thrown in the slammer for a year and then deported.

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On the contrary... it has everything to do with double-standards, which is the topic at hand. One can't complain about what some wogs are doing to Australians while ignoring what Australians are doing to wogs somewhere else. [Deliberate use of the word "wogs", to emphasise the point.]

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You nicely massaged that to suit your own agenda. I said women who commit adultery. Their choice. No one elses.

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Nope it has no correlation. Now if you were to talk about Indonesia and its view on the death penalty at home and then its view on the death penalty given to its citizens in other countries, then we have something to talk about.