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ozzieeagle May 30th 2010 4:35 pm

Re: Global warming
 

Originally Posted by polyama (Post 8600477)
Is global cooling around the corner?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8615789.stm

An impeding Ice Age is a far more dangerous prospect for humanity than Global Warming.... 90 pct of mammals on the planet could be wiped out.... including humanity.

Wont it be Ironic if people were really barking up the wrong tree.

Burbage May 30th 2010 5:08 pm

Re: Global warming
 

Originally Posted by ozzieeagle (Post 8600624)
An impeding Ice Age is a far more dangerous prospect for humanity than Global Warming.... 90 pct of mammals on the planet could be wiped out.... including humanity.

Wont it be Ironic if people were really barking up the wrong tree.

Not only that, if the world is going to grow enough food to feed the 9 billion people expected by 2050, it needs to be warmer and we need more carbon dioxide, not less, in the atmosphere.

Having said that, of course, no particular effort is being made to feed all of the current six billion, so presumably the powers that be couldn't give a gnat's todger.

Lord_Farquar Jun 3rd 2010 1:42 pm

Re: Global warming
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...mest-year-ever

Burbage Jun 3rd 2010 5:36 pm

Re: Global warming
 

Originally Posted by Lord_Farquar (Post 8610285)

1951-2009=ever

I don't think so.

NedKelly Jun 3rd 2010 6:00 pm

Re: Global warming
 

Originally Posted by Lord_Farquar (Post 8610285)

If I had time to waste I am sure I could find a newspaper article that said the opposite.

iamthecreaturefromuranus Jun 3rd 2010 6:09 pm

Re: Global warming
 

Originally Posted by Burbage (Post 8610599)
1951-2009=ever

I don't think so.

'ever' doesn't matter. If it was hotter or colder in the Jurassic/Triassic/Anyotherassic is utterly irrelevant to what's happening now.

The questions should be... Did we cause 'it'? Can we stop 'it'? How do we handle 'it'?

Substitute your own version of 'it' to suit your own personal feelings about climate change.

Burbage Jun 3rd 2010 6:12 pm

Re: Global warming
 

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 8610636)
'ever' doesn't matter. If it was hotter or colder in the Jurassic/Triassic/Anyotherassic is utterly irrelevant to what's happening now.

The questions should be... Did we cause 'it'? Can we stop 'it'? How do we handle 'it'?

Substitute your own version of 'it' to suit your own personal feelings about climate change.

'Ever' matters for two reasons:

1. It's wrong.
2. It makes those who are trying to make the case for human induced global warming look like they are now resorting to hyperbole and exaggeration to put forward their case. Something that real scientists never do.

iamthecreaturefromuranus Jun 3rd 2010 6:18 pm

Re: Global warming
 

Originally Posted by Burbage (Post 8610641)
'Ever' matters for two reasons:

1. It's wrong.
2. It makes those who are trying to make the case for human induced global warming look like they are now resorting to hyperbole and exaggeration to put forward their case. Something that real scientists never do.

I have no idea if global warming is human induced or not and even if it is, that's irrelevant as well. What matters is what we do about it.
We don't need much of a climate change, in either direction, to cause serious issues for communities around the world. We should be spending more time on discussing how we would deal with those issues, because the very idea that people will 'turn the lights off' to deal with a warming world is fanciful at best.

Burbage Jun 3rd 2010 6:20 pm

Re: Global warming
 

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 8610650)
I have no idea if global warming is human induced or not and even if it is, that's irrelevant as well. What matters is what we do about it.
We don't need much of a climate change, in either direction, to cause serious issues for communities around the world. We should be spending more time on discussing how we would deal with those issues, because the very idea that people will 'turn the lights off' to deal with a warming world is fanciful at best.

We deal with it the same way we deal with earthquakes and volcanoes. Learn to cope.

iamthecreaturefromuranus Jun 3rd 2010 6:23 pm

Re: Global warming
 

Originally Posted by Burbage (Post 8610652)
We deal with it the same way we deal with earthquakes and volcanoes. Learn to cope.

That somewhat depends on what you have to cope with. Volcanoes you can walk away from. Earthquakes you can rebuild after. Desertification or freezing of continents... how do you suggest we cope with that?

Burbage Jun 3rd 2010 6:37 pm

Re: Global warming
 

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 8610656)
That somewhat depends on what you have to cope with. Volcanoes you can walk away from. Earthquakes you can rebuild after. Desertification or freezing of continents... how do you suggest we cope with that?

Probably the same way our forebears did. Humans have lived through both ice ages and warmer climates than this in the past.

Lord_Farquar Jun 3rd 2010 6:49 pm

Re: Global warming
 

Originally Posted by NedKelly (Post 8610624)
If I had time to waste I am sure I could find a newspaper article that said the opposite.

That's nice.

iamthecreaturefromuranus Jun 3rd 2010 10:58 pm

Re: Global warming
 

Originally Posted by Burbage (Post 8610677)
Probably the same way our forebears did. Humans have lived through both ice ages and warmer climates than this in the past.

Sorry but that's simplistic nonsense.
The times when humans lived through ice ages and warming in the past there was probably no more than a few million on the entire planet.

Ice came from the North and people would have just moved South to avoid it. There are billions of us now... just moving South for the Winter won't cut it.

Burbage Jun 4th 2010 12:28 am

Re: Global warming
 

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 8611076)
Sorry but that's simplistic nonsense.
The times when humans lived through ice ages and warming in the past there was probably no more than a few million on the entire planet.

Ice came from the North and people would have just moved South to avoid it. There are billions of us now... just moving South for the Winter won't cut it.

So, obviously the species will survive even with a few thousand survivors of the crisis. This is good to know. I'm sure that with modern technology and scientific knowledge we can do a bit better than that.

So you want to control the climate. Who's being simplistic? There is no way at all we can control the climate.

We have to adapt. It's the story of survival. Those who cannot adapt, perish.

Perry Groves Jun 4th 2010 9:42 pm

Re: Global warming
 
It is time for the human race to consider the possibilty of living underground, like The Jam predicted in their song "Going underground"


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