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Re: Global warming
Originally Posted by Burbage
(Post 8349482)
That's a misquote. Perhaps you should read the sticky on quoting.
However, in the interests of bonhomie: You can also argue that there is a correlation between solar energy and global warming, which is the explanation for all previous global warmings. Where does this say anthing about climate change? It specifically talks about global warming. Is there a method of warming up the earth that doesn't involve the sun? |
Re: Global warming
Originally Posted by Lord_Farquar
(Post 8349492)
You still said it.
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Re: Global warming
Originally Posted by slapphead_otool
(Post 8349421)
To look at this scientifically, what sources of heat are there on planet earth. I can think of three:
1. The Sun 2. Earth hot core 3. Chemical transformation Any others? The whole debate centres on what *happens* with the heat that is there, whether it comes from the sun (the vast majority) or any other source. Limburg, in one translation of an interview from the German, seems to imply that the greenhouse effect doesn't exist at all. Now, if that's what he really means, he is totally wrong. If he's being misquoted or misinterpreted he's no different from what has happened with Jones et al - ie., words taken out of context. |
Re: Global warming
Originally Posted by Burbage
(Post 8349482)
Where does this say anthing about climate change? It specifically talks about global warming. Is there a method of warming up the earth that doesn't involve the sun? |
Re: Global warming
Originally Posted by Wol
(Post 8349510)
No-one's arguing about heat sources!
The whole debate centres on what *happens* with the heat that is there, whether it comes from the sun (the vast majority) or any other source. Limburg, in one translation of an interview from the German, seems to imply that the greenhouse effect doesn't exist at all. Now, if that's what he really means, he is totally wrong. If he's being misquoted or misinterpreted he's no different from what has happened with Jones et al - ie., words taken out of context. What I was trying to do was achieve fair and open discussion on the subject, by moving back to basics and finding a point of common agreement, then moving forward from there. At the moment we leap around (myself included) suddenly throwing new issues into the mix. |
Re: Global warming
Originally Posted by Wol
(Post 8349510)
No-one's arguing about heat sources!
If we assume that all previous warming of the planet was natural, there needs to be a strong argument that the current warming is not natural before we look for another cause. Is it not reasonable therefore to put the burden of proof on those who claim that it is unnatural? |
Re: Global warming
Originally Posted by Burbage
(Post 8349526)
Well, as far as I can tell LF is, but since (s)he never actually says anything it's a bit hard to tell.
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Re: Global warming
Originally Posted by Lord_Farquar
(Post 8349511)
"And yet changes in solar irradiation have caused most, if not all, previous climate changes."
Anyway, I know what my theory is. What's yours? |
Re: Global warming
Originally Posted by Lord_Farquar
(Post 8349537)
It's a shame that you have to resort to insults. I answered your question. You just didn't like the answer.
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Re: Global warming
Originally Posted by slapphead_otool
(Post 8349523)
What I was trying to do was achieve fair and open discussion on the subject, by moving back to basics and finding a point of common agreement, then moving forward from there.
At the moment we leap around (myself included) suddenly throwing new issues into the mix. |
Re: Global warming
Originally Posted by Burbage
(Post 8349547)
In respect of this, can we all agree that none of the previous climate changes on planet earth were caused by humans?
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Re: Global warming
Originally Posted by Lord_Farquar
(Post 8349585)
So you agree that current climate change is caused by humans?
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Re: Global warming
Originally Posted by Burbage
(Post 8349598)
You're very keen on telling me what I think. Or at least what you want me to think. Are you a priest?
No I am not a priest, it is you that seems to like to comment about religion. I do agree none of the previous climate change (e.g. before the Pleistocene) on planet earth were caused by humans. |
Re: Global warming
Originally Posted by Burbage
(Post 8349547)
In respect of this, can we all agree that none of the previous climate changes on planet earth were caused by humans?
as along as we all agree that the current warming is caused by humans! |
Re: Global warming
Originally Posted by Lord_Farquar
(Post 8349617)
I was asking a question.
No I am not a priest, it is you that seems to like to comment about religion. I do agree none of the previous climate change (e.g. before the Pleistocene) on planet earth were caused by humans. So we agree that climate changes can be entirely natural? |
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