Those Copenhagen talks really work! What if they will actually sign an agreement

Are you sure? (without rest of the wold cutting emissions?)

Makes sense to me but so does world peace......

All of my life governments have been trying to end world hunger. In primary school children came around with “Happy Smiles” – books full of smiling African children. They sold each page as a “smile”, and we paid our pocket money. It didn’t work.

At University Oxfam was all the rage.

Then Bono with live aid.

And taxes were channelled as aid. Britain is giving a Billion pounds to India, which has a space program, a bigger Army Navy and Air force than Britain, and has more millionaires and lower taxes.

Did any of this work? Did poverty and hunger end? Fifty years now, I have sent money to Africa, willing or unwillingly.

It didn’t work.

Zimbabwe, once the food basket of Africa, is now the basket case, and an aid recipient.

And we think that by more taxes we will fix global warming (which to my eyes remains unproved and may not be caused by humans anyway).

And some people think that this taxation on the First World will end world hunger.

And its still snowing in England...

Nope !!

I actually thought that bit looked wrong when I did it yesterday, and double checked it, but made the same mistake twice...
Now I can't even see how I got that 35% figure !

I can't see how giving billions to third world countries in Africa will help that. If past experience is anything to go by it will only encourage them to produce more offspring.

It will, however, cause the good bankers of Zurich to build more vaults <g>.

We're destroying the lungs of the earth at an alarming rate, and at the same time churning billions of tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere.
i've not read through the whole thread cos I aint got 3 weeks spare, but how can there be any doubt??

The results of the poll would suggest that people think denial absolves the human race of guilt, load of old crap.

I work at mine sites now and again, and their effect on the environment is devastating. First they clear the area of everything, then they blow effing great holes in the ground for years, then when exhausted, it's just left, they're supposed to rehabilitate the area but don't. Plus you've got to take into account that the coal they produce puts all the shit into the atmosphere, I reckon Oz has another 100 years left of being the land of plenty then it will be a massive Easter Island. Colonise, strip and desert, it's the future

Because there is. There is plenty of reliable, educated information out there disproving MMGW - have a look with an open mind.

I agree, Don't get me wrong, I have certainly turned my mind to conserving energy, recycling etc. We need to take better care of our environment, and each other. How can that be a bad thing?
MMGW? Who knows? Not conclusive by a long chalk imho.....

Where were the power stations spewing out CO2 in 1500BC?

So, we're pumping more CO2 into the atmosphere than ever, and we're destroying the planets ability to photosynthesise that CO2 into oxygen. Glad that's not having an effect, was worried for a minute

Um, just in time, this study from NASA (of the AGW scam) "The globally comprehensive, multi-discipline study appears in this week's Science magazine. The article states climate changes have provided extra doses of water, heat and sunlight in areas where one or more of those ingredients may have been lacking. Plants flourished in places where climatic conditions previously limited growth."

In which case wouldn't it be easier to stop chopping down forests or possibly plant more. Surely that would be a better idea than giving billions of dollars to the likes of Chavez & Mugabe.

from the same article Quoll, they might be greener but there's less of em

I'm not saying we are responsible, I'm not saying we're not. All I'm saying is that articles and stats can be interpreted to suit either argument, and it's convenient for people to interpret them in a way that saves them from making an effort.