Just thought I'd let you all know that AGW was a big hoax.

The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal ever - Telegraph

If you don't like or don't think the Telegraph is a reliable source, then please feel free to find the same story from other sources.

Oh goody another global warming thread!

I used to be a bit sceptical, I think scepticism is healthy but my current thinking is if 99% of the worlds scientists say it's happening then surely they can't all be wrong and that this is the biggest conspiracy the world has ever seen?

Nope. Still a sceptic and this backs it up

MMGW is a hard-left plot to break the economies and social structures of the west so that they can impoverish and therefore, control it

Well my primary degree was in natural sciences and I have my questions about the data for anthropogenic global warming (not actual global warming obv. as we are heading out of an ice age, denying this would be like denying that summer follows spring). However I'm no expert in climatewarmology or whatever and will leave it to experts to sort out who are interested in this area.

Happy to invest in alternative energy however.

And so are these people it would seem...


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I think the Rockefellers are as well.

Fatuous Prick

The 'is it/isn't it' questions were over at least two decades ago. Anyone still trying to debate them now is either a moron (eg politician), or a liar for money (eg politician).

Christopher Brooker has the smell of both.

here's one of the official thermometers, how accurate can it be ?

OK, you get one debunking, then you have to do your own research, rather than just parroting the b*llsh*t :

http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/u...e-etal2010.pdf

It's almost as if climate scientists were, I don't know, professionals?

The global warming debate (is it, isn't it? is it us, isn't it us?) always misses the most important point - fossil fuels are a finite resource. We need to develop alternative energy sources before they run out or we'll living out Mad Max for real. Since nuclear fission has a tendency to gone spectacularly wrong on a regular basis and fusion is still a concept that means renewables.

It's actually primarily about whether it is a hoax or not, and not global warming per se.

If the temp figures have been fudged, this should be able to be verified by others around the world and not just the guy who wrote the article in the link. Time will tell.

At school (1970s) I was taught that another ice age was coming and that "most scientists" concur. If they all concurred then about the pending ice age, but now all concur about global warming, then that doesn't say a lot for scientists in general.

I will maintain my scepticism.

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I only had my teacher and Time magazine to go on in those days and in darkest Africa with no Internet.

But, read this:

There has been an intense debate among leading scientists, government agencies and publications over whether the bigger threat is global warming or a new ice age. As we’ve previously noted, top researchers have feared an ice age – off and on – for more than 100 years. (This post does not weigh in one way or the other. It merely presents a historical record.)

Global Warming or The “New Ice Age”? Fear of the “Big Freeze” | Global Research

No doubt there are millions of other articles showing the opposite. So just who do we believe?

Do you promise? I've always wanted a Falcon XB with a huge supercharger .

As I said above, Christopher Brooker is a nutter and fraudster of the highest order. He's said, over the years, not only that climate change isn't happening, but also that:

• passive smoking has "little or no effect on health at all"
• there is "not a scrap of firm scientific evidence" to justify statements that BSE can be transmitted to humans from cows
• white asbestos "poses no measurable risk to health"

He pipes up every so often, usually when he has a book to sell, with the same old b*ll*cks - which then gets sat on. As you can see, he has a 'big business is good and shouldn't be regulated' slant to his hobby horses - making it likely that money is involved somewhere along the line.

Please, the debate on if AGW is happening ended decades ago - time has told and the evidence is overwhelming. The only debate today is if scum like Brooker have meant we are already past the practical point of no return, or if there is still hope.

I think most scientists are now, quietly, tending towards the understanding that the pace of change now necessary to avoid runaway is too great for people to actually do it. Failure to act two decades back means we'd now be looking at a pace of change that couldn't be delivered short of a mass disaster - and that the tipping point has practically passed, if not physically. Retreat and adaptation are now the interest areas - along with the climate of the earth in the past when temps were 6C higher than today.