Your immigration figures are not supported by the ONS (Office of National Statistics) data.

On 27 Aug 2015 the ONS issued population data up to Dec 2014 which showed the number of non UK nationals residing in the UK:-

2.92m - EU nationals

2.406m - Non EU nationals

There was a significant increase of non UK nationals in 2013 and that must have been by EU nationals as it states for the second year in a row EU nationals outnumbered non EU nationals which has not happened since 2004.

The most common non UK national group is Polish.

The UK has no control on the largest group coming in from the EU. It is simplistic to say they are contributors. At whose expense?

we are, we've taken to living like intestinal worms inside Gina Reinhart, she does eat some shite I tell ya

I know - it would be nice if there was more variety but some of the nicer threads seem to die off pretty quick which makes it hard to maintain a balance

They are supported by the ONS. You are simply looking at something else perhaps, not at how many people are MIGRATING here each year.

Here is your November 2015 ONS report: Migration Statistics Quarterly Report, November 2015 - ONS

Official net migration statistics by the ONS:

EU migration: 180,000
Non-EU migration: 201,000

So for people - who like British nationals - can live and work freely across the UE, 180k more arrived. And from outside the EU, where 100% control lies in the hands of the gov't... 201k more were allowed in.

Are you still going to let the gov't and special interest groups financed by god knows whom point your attention where they want to?

Their own in budgetary terms. By net contributors it is meant that they (EU nationals of countries which joined in 2004) added £4.96bn more to the treasury than they took out.

"The analysis included migrants' share of all public services costs, covering those that increase when the population increases, such as health and education, and those that stay fixed, such as the armed forces and defence."

"If the fixed costs are excluded, the net benefit of immigration from these countries would more than double to £10.5bn."

Source: New EU migrants add £5bn to UK, report says - BBC News

I have never spliced the data to show just the data on any particular EU country, but since you mentioned Poland you should be pleased to see some reassuring data that the laws of economics work and that nobody is "playing the game" so to speak:

Proportion of working age population in employment on census day (per cent):

UK born 69
Non-UK born 63.2
EU born 73
Non-EU born 59

Country of origin:

Poland 81.2
South Africa 78
Germany 70.6
Ireland 68.9
USA 66.8
India 65.4
Jamaica 62.4
Nigeria 58.6
Pakistan 46
Bangladesh 44.1
China 38.1

Source: Polish migrants almost 20pc more likely to work than Britons - Telegraph

It still seems to conflict between reports issued by the same ONS which I suppose is not surprising as statistics are bent all the time.

However, if the UK was a non EU member it would not have had to accept the large influx of Eastern Europeans in recent times so the UK nationals employment rate would be much higher.

I do not think there is any conflicting data at all.

I posted a direct link to the ONS data - if you find any data there about net migration from the EU being higher in any year, just post the source.

The UK has admitted to needing thousands upon thousands of positions filled in a myriad of sectors to keep the economy going. Heck, even bus or lorry drivers - they were simply not enough people in the country ready to take up the jobs. UK recruitment companies have been massively advertising across Europe to bring people in, even offering to set up training for them abroad before they come. This is a concerted effort to keep the economy rolling.

It baffles me how you could have something against reciprocal benefits that apply to British citizens (like you and I) as well. The people who have come in from the EU have done so for the best of reasons, and have pumped money into the system in addition to adding to the economy. They are similar folk who all speak different languages, from Spanish to Slovakian, but most are friendly, beer-drinking, barbecuing, amicable people who work hard, play hard, care for their families, respect others, enjoy a similar outlook on life, love football, don't blow up buses, have no ill intentions against our nation, etc.

What more could you possibly ask for in a joint economy that is the world's largest and most powerful when united as one?

What people are just not realising, or if they are, are ignoring, is that the UK is a member of the eea, and any EEA country member has freedom of movement within the EEA, so the number of migrants from these countries would NOT decrease. The EEA adds Iceland Lichtenstein and Norway to the EU countries with freedom of movement, and Switzerland is a member of neither but still has freedom of movement within them.
Leaving the EU WILL NOT DECREASE THE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE WITH FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT, OK so all you antis it's a total waste of your time and hot air.

Sweetie, you are a stand up person, a great fellow poster and contributor here.

I never thought of you as EEA or non-EEA, nor did I ever state that you personally abused the system. We're simply talking statistics here, official UK gov't statistics as they are released. Anyone not from the EEA will simply be lumped together for numbers purposes, which does not mean that this applies to every individual. Being lumped together along with people from almost half-a-dozen continents has no bearing on the individual.

In fact I agree with all your thoughts on spending, paying council tax, VAT on everything, if it was me such people should be given the green light ahead of job seekers even as they bring money into a country.

My only purpose in this thread is to figure out the logic behind blaming the UE for everything (which the gov't pushes people to do in order to deflect blame from itself) when they make up the minority of immigration each year and happen to contribute the most.

Overall population figures.
Population by Country of Birth and Nationality Report, August 2015 - ONS


The UK has admitted to needing thousands upon thousands of positions filled in a myriad of sectors to keep the economy going.

My take on that is the same as Creatures & Stevenglish. Pay a decent wage and you wouldn't need to look elsewhere.

I don't have anything against the people from EU nations. That's not the point at all. I could just as easily interpret your comments and say it baffles me why you have something against British citizens and non EU nationals.

Not sure why you're clutching at straws here and bringing this up. We are talking about MIGRATION figures here, not people from Jamaica who have been living in London for 30 years which is completely besides the point...

I already provided the link to net migration to the UK (official ONS data), and instead of accepting the facts - which for some reason you are avoiding - you come up with something completely irrelevant...

There weren't enough qualified people for the various industries mentioned. It wasn't a question of offering 2 quid more per hour. Plus it's a common market, we can get jobs anywhere in the EU. This isn't a one-way street - this actually gives UK citizens so much more choice and freedom.

Au contraire, I want Britain to lead the way, to help govern Europe and participate, not hide its tail and back off into a corner. I want us to have the maximum rights possible, to live and work freely across the continent, not be treated as Albanians on our own continent. You keep talking about "them" when in fact your almost religious beliefs in this area would be hurting UK citizens.

Sweetie? You can call me spouse of scouse, or if you prefer, sos. Thanks stud.

For me this is the crux of the matter, for example a good mate of mine, a plumber (a good one too), always worked hard, always paid his tax/mortgage etc. Along come a bunch of Polish plumbers, charging rock bottom prices, and boom! Money all but disappears, marriage hits the rocks, house is downsized and he now only gets work off people who realize how shocking this situation is. It aint just fruit pickers, and it aint just lazy ****ers. This attitude is no different to buying British, or support your local businesses either. There's an old saying that rings true here, pay peanuts - get monkeys.

Except it was more "Uber vs the Taxi Industry".

Plumbers and tradies in general gouge people for years off the back of zero effective competition. Then someone comes along with a better attitude, more willing to work, and lower prices, and the local industry is unwilling and unable to compete. Instead they look to protectionism.

The competition is fair competition and the industry in general improves as a result - a situation where capitalism works (which isn't always the case).

Sorry mate but I'm not buying very much of that, where you say the industry is improved, I and many others see it as devalued. The better attitude and willingness to work are both rubbish and moot points, since both are insignificant compared to number 3, lower prices. Hence my statement about devaluing industry and qualifications. We're not here to take part, we're here to take over is their battle cry.