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Old Feb 7th 2016 | 2:47 pm
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Originally Posted by TheCreature
Usual load of bollocks about lazy Brits. If you can't recruit locals for manual work it's because the pay on offer is shite.
I'm inclined to agree with this, and it's certainly no more of a generalisation than 'migrants do it because brits are lazy' If I'm to do back breaking, mind numbing work, I want more than sub minimum wage for it because I come from a civilized society. Slave labour isn't a British thing anyway, ....is it??
 
Old Feb 7th 2016 | 3:19 pm
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Originally Posted by stevenglish1
I'm inclined to agree with this
Me too.

It's the same in Australia and I'm sure a host of other countries.
Exploitation of immigrants, backpackers, temp visa holders et al.

Not all of them of course but there is always a sizeable contingent that is prone to "abuse".
 
Old Feb 7th 2016 | 9:38 pm
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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
It is estimated by 2050 the EU will account for only five percent of UK exports and in Worldwide terms will be insignificant.
Seriously, just look at the numbers and you'll laugh. Down from being our major export market to just 5%? Just too funny... Only way this could happen is if OUR economy caves in and we have nothing to export. And how gullible do people have to be to believe in such nonsense, especially labelled as 2050, lol...

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
Whatever happened to the UK pioneering spirit ?
Some people still want to lead the way, but unfortunately for some it's easier to take the cowardly approach of caving in, so protectionism drives out progress, and we then try to desperately cling on to what we have instead of striving for more. Especially given the fantastic conditions of a whole, open European market ripe for the taking, and the strength of the EU block to negotiate trade treaties with the rest of the world as a whole rather than each dinky, little country trying to roar like a lion when countries like China would then see them rather as squealing like a mouse.

The only forces that want a weak, divided EU, and nations like the UK splitting from it, are countries like China and Russia. That's why the Russians are pumping large amounts of money to fund political parties that support their agenda in weakening Europe as a whole.

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
We have no way of knowing which of the EU immigrants are genuine and which have come to milk the system or live on the proceeds of crime and we have no option but to let them all in regardless of their motives.
And likewise us Poms are also EU immigrants to various other nations like Spain where we are given the benefit of the doubt and free to exercise our rights as EU citizens as long as we do not break the law.

Funny you should mention milking the system as the MAJORITY of migration to the UK is from OUTSIDE the EU (yes, same pattern every single year). So apparently we should be 100% in control of that, and yet they are the ones MILKING the system whereas UE citizens are the ones adding money to our system and contributing to the economy.

Tell you what, stop blaming the EU and following the propaganda being dished out against our place in the UE until we make sure that non-EEA migrants, who we can control 100%:

A) stop being the majority of all migrants to the UK
B) stop being a parasite on the system and start contributing. And even then, although it might never happen according to some, let's wait until they start contributing more than our European neighbours that are part of the UK economy.

ONLY then do I think you have any credible right to even use the term "migration" and the "UE" in any negative form, given that the root of the problem is elsewhere and has nothing to do with the EU.
 
Old Feb 7th 2016 | 10:30 pm
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Originally Posted by astera
given that the root of the problem is elsewhere and has nothing to do with the EU.
 
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I wonder what the life span of a parasite is? Wouldn't want to die waiting for a response.
 
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Originally Posted by astera
The only forces that want a weak, divided EU, and nations like the UK splitting from it, are countries like China and Russia. That's why the Russians are pumping large amounts of money to fund political parties that support their agenda in weakening Europe as a whole.
I see Russia is ramping up its activities in Syria lately: Bombing the place so that more hundreds of thousands of refugees head for the EU.
 
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Originally Posted by Bix
Aren't you barking up the wrong tree here?

If...

A) the majority of immigration is from outside the EU

-and-

B) those migrating from outside the EU take more out of the system than they put in (in contrast to EEA migrants who are net contributors and add money to the treasury)

... then yapping at the EU seems very convenient for the gov't, so that they can deflect the blame instead of being asked why they're letting even greater numbers in from outside the EU... even though they should be 100% in control? Of course they wouldn't want you asking them that, so they'll do everything to make you bark at the EU instead.

Let's not forget that the system works both ways too. As UK nationals we get to travel freely around Europe, take on job positions across the continent, go to uni and pay local rates, etc. Strip us Brits of European rights and we'll be like the Albanians of Europe, with no rights anywhere, and travelling to Spain we'll be standing in line with thousands of Moroccan tomato pickers waiting to enter the country.
 
Old Feb 8th 2016 | 6:03 pm
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The UK is over populated directly attributable to Federal EU policies.

I voted against membership in 1975.
The majority voted in favour of membership.

However the referendum was about membership of a Common Market, not a Federal union which it is well on the way to becoming.

Big difference voting for trading partners or rulers.
 
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Originally Posted by TheCreature
Usual load of bollocks about lazy Brits. If you can't recruit locals for manual work it's because the pay on offer is shite.
No, it's mainly because those jobs are dirty, often outdoors and they may have to work when it's cold and wet. They'd much rather the state paid for them to sit at home moaning, many of the claims they can't do the job because thye have a 'bad back' and can't bend. No way of proving that, so they use it as an excuse. The benefit people can't check up on everyone, but there have been numerous programmes about people defrauding the system, claiming they have a bad back, can't lift, can't bend, can't walk any distance but are then filmed running marathons, working for cash on a building site.
 
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Originally Posted by Bix
The UK is over populated directly attributable to Federal EU policies.
The vast majority of migrants entering the UK each and every year are from OUTSIDE the EU. Plain fact, pure and simple. The UK has 100% control over this, does it not?

Have you ever wondered why you are so focused on the minority? Especially since the minority happen to be the most beneficial people entering the country in terms of contributing to the "system" and the economy.
 
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Originally Posted by mikelincs
No, it's mainly because those jobs are dirty, often outdoors and they may have to work when it's cold and wet. They'd much rather the state paid for them to sit at home moaning, many of the claims they can't do the job because thye have a 'bad back' and can't bend. No way of proving that, so they use it as an excuse. The benefit people can't check up on everyone, but there have been numerous programmes about people defrauding the system, claiming they have a bad back, can't lift, can't bend, can't walk any distance but are then filmed running marathons, working for cash on a building site.
In my opinion, only a small minority are benefit cheats - they become the focus of the tabloid press in the same way as some migrants do.
 
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Originally Posted by mikelincs
No, it's mainly because those jobs are dirty, often outdoors and they may have to work when it's cold and wet. They'd much rather the state paid for them to sit at home moaning, many of the claims they can't do the job because thye have a 'bad back' and can't bend. No way of proving that, so they use it as an excuse. The benefit people can't check up on everyone, but there have been numerous programmes about people defrauding the system, claiming they have a bad back, can't lift, can't bend, can't walk any distance but are then filmed running marathons, working for cash on a building site.
Most migrants are lying, cheating, misogynistic, bludging rapist scum, well you started it
 
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Originally Posted by stevenglish1
Most migrants are lying, cheating, misogynistic, bludging rapist scum, well you started it


I did wonder if migrants in Australia are also 'parasites'.
 
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In my opinion, only a small minority are benefit cheats - they become the focus of the tabloid press in the same way as some migrants do.
Sparkles, you asked a while ago why people do/don't post. I think this thread's a good example of both.

Some post to vent their spleen in a 'safe' forum - bandying about terms such as 'parasite', 'bludger' etc in public would probably end badly for them.

Some don't post because they're tired of seeing the same old shite.
 
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Sparkles, you asked a while ago why people do/don't post. I think this thread's a good example of both.

Some post to vent their spleen in a 'safe' forum - bandying about terms such as 'parasite', 'bludger' etc in public would probably end badly for them.

Some don't post because they're tired of seeing the same old shite.
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