Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Don't think that's how it would run actually.

Instead, my guess is that if May got away with pressing the button, against the expressed will of the other parts of the UK, then all of the other bits of the UK call pretty much immediate referenda on leaving the UK and calling themselves a federated state (call it Celticland). Assuming they get the yes vote then before the 2 years of the article 50 are up, they have voted to leave. They then agree with the EU to be the successor state.

Upshot is, THEY, are then the UK, and don't leave, and England is effectively kicked out.

You can see how Celticland wins out of it. You can also see how the EU wins (shafting England, minimising loss of face).

And my guess is that Wales would fall into line with Celticland, rather than stay with England. Hell, I'm not sure that the City of London wouldn't agree to leave too.

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

You're dreaming now.

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

You are basing this all on the result of another referendum, and if that was to occur, I can't see any of the lands voting for a Brexit a second time round.

Unfortunately there is no further referendum and the result stands. Wales 47 - 53

Onward and upward.

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

I have just answered that very question. We voted on a withdrawal from the EU. Not a partial withdrawal. If it had been a partial withdrawal then my ballot paper would have said so. It was crystal clear. It could not have been any clearer.

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

It was a referendum, not an election. There is no automatic action and it is non-binding, something that the quitters seem to have conveniently forgotten.

At the end of the day the gov't needs to do what is best for the UK. If brexit will have a negative impact then their job is not to let it happen. Plain and simple...

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

They are dead set playing with fire if they dont follow the peoples direction though. I as a slightly remaining empathising fence sitter says and understands this very clearly. That IMO would lead to massive civil unrest, and probably rightly so.

The UK is not a bloody dictatorship under any circumstance.

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

The will of the people is to have no IHT, world-class healthcare for free, top-notch infrastructure, etc. I'm sure 99% would say scrap the tv licence too. And who would say no to scrapping fuel tax? :)

Do you see any of these being carried out? Or is the gov't acting against the will of the people and we have been a dictatorship for as long as we can remember?

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More denial - head in the sand stuff

Why have a referendum if they are not going to honour the decision? It shouldn't have been a 50-50 vote for such an important decision - 60-40 would have been better

Bad move but Brexit is happening, accept it and move on

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Why has it been specifically set up to be legally non-binding (unlike an election where a result automatically triggers an action)?

All the quitters have been calling the EU undemocratic, even though everyone gets an equal say on matters and Malta's vote counts the same as Germany's vote.

Here we have a 2-2 result in the UK, so are we going to be the undemocratic ones and say that England is more important than Scotland or tiny N.E. because we're bigger?

As for the will of the people, almost everyone agrees that a second referendum would see a different result. Meaning that the CURRENT will of the people would see a majority of remain votes. So should we act against what people want TODAY? :)

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

I'm very sure there will be massive unrest if they fail to follow through on this referendum. There will be no civil unrest if they leave.... It's that simple. I as a person that would have probably voted to remain (Although having not lived in the UK for 36 years I dont really know that for sure) understand fully the implications of not following the peoples will .... and in fact would fully support them in any measures they people care to take.


This is about the freedom to express the will in a massively different direction..... You cannot go against that under any circumstance.

Your talking about the crux of democracy in the UK with this particular subject. That has to be upheld at all costs.... no matter what the financial or external political implications for the UK.


Me thinks you've lived under Lee Kuan Yew's patriarchy in Singapore for too long.

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

They would be voting on independence from the England, and staying in the EU. Does anyone seriously think that Scotland, Wales and N Ireland wouldn't vote for that? Particularly since the EU would be bending over backwards to help them in that aim?

There will be civil unrest as a result of the impact of hard brexit. There probably wouldn't be if they just put off the whole thing. It would be a very British compromise.

And don't forget, not only was the referendum non-binding, there was also no statement on when.

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

I would disagree because the gov't needs to do what is best for the country. That is their job. And democracy is choosing your leaders and representatives.

A lot of people were duped into thinking we'd be better off by leaving. Now that the bubble has burst and reality has set in, people need to be told what will happen and how it could affect them.

You mentioned civil unrest - just imagine what will happen if instead of a rainbow and perfect skies we go into a massive recession that sees job losses, lower earnings, a collapse in investment, London ceasing to be Europe's financial hub, the Pound dropping in value like never before in its history, etc. And then the gov't saying, "we knew this would happen but did it anyway." Civil unrest did you say?

What would probably be best - and should happen once you think about it - is to look at the viable options and do a referendum since one of the choices would probably focus on EEA membership. Offer this as option a) with the understanding that it allows the UK to remain part of the Single Market in return, but at the same time the UK must respect the Four Freedoms. And option b) would probably focus on a "hard brexit" that should clearly spell out the dangers associated with it.

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Just imagine if it didn't happen and the UK became the next Switzerland. :thumbsup:

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

They can still vote on independence if they want. Different topic and for Scotland, already been done.

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I've always been a great one for trying to work out the future by looking at the past lessons of history. I dont think any other European country has divorced themselves from Europe more successfully and continuously than the British Isles. It's basically reverting to well entrenched historical form.


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