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Beoz Jul 21st 2016 8:59 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 12008366)
How can you say how much the contribution IS going to be before the terms of the Brexit have been negotiated? i.e. you can only estimate.

I can't. Nor can you. That's the point.

scrubbedexpat098 Jul 21st 2016 10:22 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 
I'm pretty sure the out vote wasn't just about EU immigrants per say, I mean when you can't deport murderers, rapists and paedophiles because of EU human rights and free movement laws, let's face it you're going to get a few backs up. Those dirty racist anti paedophile biggots eh?

Beoz Jul 21st 2016 11:01 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by astera (Post 12008705)

I really don't get how people linked non-EU immigration to... being in the EU. Over 50% of migration to the UK is from outside the EU - so the UK is 100% in control of that - yet the gullible folk out there believe that... the EU is to blame. I mean like seriously? :) Plus we're not part of the Schengen agreement, so we get to check everyone trying to enter through our front door.
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Yep. I'm not sure how there's a link either as you say, everyone does get checked at the front door.

Interestingly Norway are sending 1000's of Syrian migrants back to Russia on bikes.

Swerv-o Jul 21st 2016 12:19 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12008826)
Yep. I'm not sure how there's a link either as you say, everyone does get checked at the front door.

Interestingly Norway are sending 1000's of Syrian migrants back to Russia on bikes.

This is true. and immigrants/refugees that come from outside of the EU are dealt with under UNHCR protocols - nothing to do with the EU at all. If they are found to be genuine asylum seekers, then they can stay.

I sadly did see a number of interviews on the TV around the vote that made me think that Syrian and Libyan refugees were being considered something the EU was dumping on the UK.


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OzTennis Jul 21st 2016 6:42 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12008750)
I can't. Nor can you. That's the point.

So you think 94% is 'scaremongering' and Britain will gain access to the single market at a fraction of the cost of the current contribution? The actual example of Norway shows otherwise (10th highest contributor, non-member).

Beoz Jul 21st 2016 7:51 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 12009013)
So you think 94% is 'scaremongering' and Britain will gain access to the single market at a fraction of the cost of the current contribution? The actual example of Norway shows otherwise (10th highest contributor, non-member).

I don't dare speculate, but I'm happy to entertain you none the less.

bcworld Jul 21st 2016 10:54 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by astera (Post 12008705)
Personally I think the UK should never have been allowed any special perks or rebates or anything like that. This has instilled a type of small brat mentality in our politics, where our politicians have grown to believe that in this great European family we can be the youngest child that can get away with practically everything, whereas everyone else is held to account at a much higher standard.

The rebate is borne out of the total cluster**** that is the Common Agricultural Policy. And if you're looking for the EU country that thinks it can (and does) get away with anything it's called France. That being the same country that refuses to negotiate on the CAP hence the UK clung on to its rebate.

Don't get me wrong, I would've voted to remain, but the UK has attempted to be far more constructive in the EU than some of those countries who I'm sure consider themselves to be the archetypal Europeans. I'm talking about the French again.

GarryP Jul 21st 2016 11:40 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by bcworld (Post 12009182)
The rebate is borne out of the total cluster**** that is the Common Agricultural Policy. And if you're looking for the EU country that thinks it can (and does) get away with anything it's called France. That being the same country that refuses to negotiate on the CAP hence the UK clung on to its rebate.

Don't get me wrong, I would've voted to remain, but the UK has attempted to be far more constructive in the EU than some of those countries who I'm sure consider themselves to be the archetypal Europeans. I'm talking about the French again.

Here hear.

PS my suggestion was that the UK should have behaved like France and ignored reality whist lying it's head off and blocking migrants anyway. Looks like that might well be the chosen option as May pushes off Article 50 into the future.

What's the book look like on the time till the next GFC ?

Beoz Jul 21st 2016 11:43 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by bcworld (Post 12009182)
The rebate is borne out of the total cluster**** that is the Common Agricultural Policy. And if you're looking for the EU country that thinks it can (and does) get away with anything it's called France. That being the same country that refuses to negotiate on the CAP hence the UK clung on to its rebate.

Don't get me wrong, I would've voted to remain, but the UK has attempted to be far more constructive in the EU than some of those countries who I'm sure consider themselves to be the archetypal Europeans. I'm talking about the French again.

Funny you talk about agriculture. Drive through southern England, look at what they have in terms of machinery, housing, barns, etc then cross the channel and see the contrast to what the french farmers have. Something is not right. So much for the common market.

OzTennis Jul 22nd 2016 7:44 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12009042)
I don't dare speculate, but I'm happy to entertain you none the less.

But you speculate on what happens if non-right governments come to power and what will happen to the UK outside of the EU as well as countless other matters? :rofl:

This isn't speculation but fact - the effect of Brexit is biting on business confidence, the £, Philip Hammond has hinted yesterday that the commitment to a budget surplus and austerity has gone and the government will introduce fiscal measures to stimulate the economy, the Bank of England will act soon as well.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...turing-and-se/

Beoz Jul 22nd 2016 8:14 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 12009957)
But you speculate on what happens if non-right governments come to power and what will happen to the UK outside of the EU as well as countless other matters? :rofl:

This isn't speculation but fact - the effect of Brexit is biting on business confidence, the £, Philip Hammond has hinted yesterday that the commitment to a budget surplus and austerity has gone and the government will introduce fiscal measures to stimulate the economy, the Bank of England will act soon as well.

Pound plunges as ‘dramatic deterioration’ in UK economy stokes Brexit recession fears

Yeah all this may happen in the short term, what happens longer term is up for grabs. They may not even hit the article 50. But one thing is for sure, the Labour party is useless. That's not speculation.

Sounds like you want it to all come crumbling down so you have give a big up yours to the leavers, to the Tory government, to Britain. I'm sure Zulu will be along soon to give you a lecture on western hating.

OzTennis Jul 22nd 2016 9:06 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12009971)
Yeah all this may happen in the short term, what happens longer term is up for grabs. They may not even hit the article 50. But one thing is for sure, the Labour party is useless. That's not speculation.

Sounds like you want it to all come crumbling down so you have give a big up yours to the leavers, to the Tory government, to Britain. I'm sure Zulu will be along soon to give you a lecture on western hating.

So you put David Cameron, the governor of the Bank of England, the heads of IMF, WTO and G7 as well as most economists in the 'western hating' category too? Zulu's solution to anything is violence or get rid of all Muslims as well as anyone left of Genghis Khan on the political spectrum so I pay no need of his opinion.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...onomic-policy/

Beoz Jul 23rd 2016 12:17 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 12009998)
So you put David Cameron, the governor of the Bank of England, the heads of IMF, WTO and G7 as well as most economists in the 'western hating' category too? Zulu's solution to anything is violence or get rid of all Muslims as well as anyone left of Genghis Khan on the political spectrum so I pay no need of his opinion.

How could Philip Hammond 'reset' the UK's economic policy?

As I said earlier, I'm in the remain camp, but the UK has voted. Its time do the deals and make the best possible outcome it can for the UK. There are deals to be had. Just need to get on and do them rather than blaming, calling old white people names, etc.

OzTennis Jul 23rd 2016 2:15 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12010068)
As I said earlier, I'm in the remain camp, but the UK has voted. Its time do the deals and make the best possible outcome it can for the UK. There are deals to be had. Just need to get on and do them rather than blaming, calling old white people names, etc.

Yep, I'm just saying Britain is going to find out that the 'deals' are going to leave it worse off than it was before and it is going to take a long time to reduce immigration which is in essence what the people narrowly voted for.

And then you'll say how do you know Britain will be worse off, wait and see. ;)

UK Facing Recession Threat After Brexit Vote

OzTennis Jul 24th 2016 10:09 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 
Well May has tried doing deals with Merkel and Hollande to retain access to the single market but this infuriates Brexiters who want a clean break from the EU:

MPs anger as EU plans migration 'emergency brake' for seven years | Politics | News | Daily Express

Now Juncker appears to have shut the door on deals involving access to single market - 'no freedom of movement, no single market'.

No free market WITHOUT free movement: Juncker SLAPS DOWN Merkel-May-Hollande plan | UK | News | Daily Express


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