Alfresco

Indeed, but they're not batting very well atm.

Beoz

I've just booked a Barossa wine tour for Saturday.

scrubbedexpat098

coin tampering?

Beoz

Ha .... That's Steve Smith's 6th toss loss in a row.

OzTennis

Another thing he does better than Ponting you'd say.

Beoz

Ponting was a shit captain. Its all you need to know.

OzTennis

I know that you don't know lots of things and have an unfounded opinion of Ponting. Ten most successful captains of all time:

Top 10 Most Successful Cricket Captains of All Time Sporteology

Does this sound like a 'shit captain'?

Next on Successful Cricket Captains, Ricky Ponting will probably be remembered as one of the finest cricketing captains the world has ever seen. He has a tremendous record of leading the Australian team as victorious for more than 48 times in 77 tests. He is widely regarded by almost all the leading players in the world of cricket as one of the best cricket captains of this generation. He is perhaps the only player in history to be a part of 100 Test victories and one of the only three players to score more than 13000 runs in test cricket during his challenging career. He is one of the three batsmen who have been called players of the century, along with Brian Lara and Sachin Tendulkar. Ponting is Only Captain to Led his Side in More Than 200 Matches.

End of; I'm not going to debate it, I don't need to. (anticipates you will home in on one or two Ashes series as your proof and forget the big picture). Andy Murray is a shit tennis player - he lost quite a few grand slam finals to Djokovic. Agree?

Beoz

All you need to know what he was a shit captain. If he was surrounded by great cricketers, lucky him.

You can pull the stats on his batting all you want, we are not talking batting. He was a shit captain and poor decision maker when it really counted.

I'm sure he was a great lover though and really enjoys your tongue in his ear.

Amazulu

A cardboard cutout would have had as much success as he did given the quality of the teams he led

The personality of a wet rag. Massive chip on his shoulder. Always had that Man Utd/spoilt bastard frown on his mug

Australia had a succession of great captains - Border, Taylor, Waugh - and then this muppet:

scrubbedexpat098

At ****ing last, you two agree on something, Ponting was one hell of a tosser

Beoz

Errr. Which bit?

OzTennis

Merely your opinion. Steve Waugh wasn't surrounded by better cricketers and Ponting captained most of them when they were on the decline? Your last statement just shows you up.

OzTennis

I've only argued about Ponting's record as captain which is self-evidently one of the best over the course of his captaincy. His character and the opinion of you and the other 2 Poms matters not one iota and is a different issue. Border and Taylor's records not as good; simple fact. Opinion on quality of team mates and opposition irrelevant; record only.

Alan Border 32 wins in 93 tests,
Mark Taylor 26 wins in 50 tests,
Steve Waugh 41 wins in 57 tests,
Ricky Ponting 48 wins in 77 tests,
Michael Clarke 24 wins in 47 tests,
Steve Smith 7 wins in 16 tests.

Amazulu

Eh?

Hayden
Langer
Slater
Ponting
McGrath
Warne
Lee
Gillespie
Gilchrist

Remembering the late 90's early 00's as a non-Aussie fan and it was a pretty dismal time for everyone else playing Australia!

What about Waugh's untouchables?

A bizarre statement from you - someone who obviously knows little about test cricket history

Stick to tennis

OzTennis

I posed that question to BeOz - he claimed Ponting had such a fantastic team he really failed as a captain; I said and Steve Waugh didn't have a better team? Don't quote out of context sport. He from the nation who gave Hanse Cronje to the world of test captaincy.