Beoz

Hello. A direct reply would be more courteous than supplying the link. news.com.au. should you really care. Its quite a factual summary. Nothing controversial in that article.

I do believe it is a head in sand approach. Where does New Zealand expect to go from here? NZ shut down the entire economy for 6 weeks to make sure it can go on living COVID free existence without touching the outside world.

Now it's invaded NZ again and NZ has made a rod for its own back, Auckland Stage 3 lock down for 4 cases? Really? Well I guess you have to after setting the precedent with such a dramatic lockdown for so few cases in wave 1.

Where does NZ go from here? You have to open up to the rest of the world sometime. This thing isn't going away. Maybe 2024?

BEVS

*sigh*

You have it whatever way you wish love. All I have done is to try and explain how it actually is which I do realise does not fit your MO and how you wish to portray NZ . I have my theories as to why you do this. It isn't pretty in this day and age. TBH I'm not really interested in posting further with someone who really just repeats a tedious inaccurate mantra. Of course BE is a series of open chat forums and if that is what floats your boat then that is fine. Carry on. I'm no longer interested as there is no conversation there. However I may continue to make posts re NZ for others to peruse at will.

My response was actually to SteveEnglish hence why his post was quoted.

For you , I give you the BE site rules. They are there for a reason. It also helps to quote excerpts properly and then link to the content so it can be read in its entirety to give context rather than mislead.
Sort yourself out. It is all yours to own.

Beoz

I am not trying to hide the source. It just makes easier reading without deep clicking. A simple copy and paste into Google will show all. It's a factual article outlining the details of lockdown.

Anyhow, we digress, I thought from day 1, NZ over cooked its response, you know that, we all have opinions. Even now, 3 days lockdown? What will that do? The incubation period can be weeks?

Further more NZ will be a great little experiment. It will be very interesting to see where this came from 100 days or so after declaring itself eliminated. Did it come in the post? It's rather odd.

scrubbedexpat098

ever heard the term 'when you're in a hole, stop digging?

BEVS

It's OK. I am not going to bother further directly or is that further bother directly. It isn't a conversation ; a discussion; a debate even ; or anything much really. I will however perhaps post further re NZ in the interests of context, fact and info. Anyone can take from that what they will.

I will end by writing this though - Someone still doesn't understand the epidemic/pandemic approach called 'elimination' or hasn't bothered to learn and understand . That is exactly how and why a world/country/nation will still be in a grip rather than adapt, educate, rethink, change & overcome . *sigh*

the troubadour

New Zealand has been a terrific example of with the wiliness to engage the population and take them along through explanation just what can be achieved. There's a valid reason PM Arden is popular with her voters, as well as being rather favoured internationally.
I suspect there was always the thought the virus would reappear. It has in a small quantity and the NZ government is on top of the lapse.
It will take as long as it takes. Do you prefer a Trump agenda in coping with the disease ? That being the slaughter of countless of tens of thousands and still inflict pain on a very flawed economy? Or NZ, that has put humanity above the pressure of certain right wing commentators and business advocates, with the probability like places like WA will gain longer term for the creation of safe environments which will surely be worth a lot over time.
Well done NZ. Victoria was very unlucky. WA used security guards at the time as well as I suspect did many states. Victoria paid the price. NSW tottering. Rest of Australia has really something to date be achieved to be applauding about.

moneypenny20

It's basic good manners to post the link to the article you're referring to. Most of us have absolutely no problem reading both posts and the links provided. I'm sorry you appear to.

Pollyana

I believe the same could be said of Australia........

Beoz

Um... err... All very good if you want to be one dimensional and treat COVID as the only concern here.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle...ectid=12355895

Ones quest of elimination might be noble, and now proven impossible, and what cost was that experiment to the people? The precedent has been set now. 3 days is possible but unlikely.

Beoz

Fine. I have no problem with it. Its just easier to read text that's in context.

Beoz

Depends. Was it striving for elimination? No.

However there are some serious questions that need work. Victoria and NSW have the border thing sorted. They talk, they agree and they control over half the economy. That's good. That part will work. If the rest of the states won't participate, they will only hurt their own residents.

Australia needs a plan for participating with the rest of the world.

The UK seem to have a good plan going with the air bridges. They turn on or off the air bridge depending on how that country is going with the virus. They aren't expecting 0. Nor should they.

Keep the elderly protected and crack on.

Let's be honest here. Patience isn't going to cut it in 2021.

Kooky.

So how are you doing now, Dad?

garethwm

The plan is to try and keep it out until a vaccine, which best estimates suggest is 12 months. Stamping it out early means being able to live normally, which we had been doing for more than 3 months to this point. Hopefully we will take care of this outbreak quickly and return to that state. As far as the economy is concerned, NZ has performed better than many other countries that had a less drastic lockdown, but have had to maintain it for much longer. And also with not many deaths. So far anyway. It's interesting you're concentrating on NZ lockdowns when Melbourne's is currently much harder??

scrubbedexpat098

He loves to see left leaning governments come a cropper, it lets him puff his chest out and feel adequate.

scrubbedexpat098

He loves to see left leaning governments come a cropper, it lets him puff his chest out and feel adequate. Make no mistake he's loving what's happening in Victoria too.