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renth Mar 16th 2009 1:22 pm
Re: Cop Bashers Walk Free
 
Originally Posted by fraser (Post 7386842)
They were? Would you like to explain to me what happened exactly before the footage?
Sure, a load of pissed jocks got into a fight with a load of pissed painters which spilled out on to the street. Cops turned up, tried to break up the fight. Pissed jocks continued to fight, now fighting with the cops. Butch tazed the old bloke, you know the rest.

What do you think happened? I know, the two groups were outside the pub shaking hands after a misunderstanding over who spilled who's pint. Just as they were going to go back in to buy each other a drink, from out of nowhere and from behind a group of cops come charging in with batons and pepper spray out, they beat the shit out of most of the group, some of whom were lying unconscious on the ground and are about to get stuck into the McLeods when the mobile phone footage begins.

Shortly after the mobile footage ends they are all taken back to the station whereupon they all have nasty accidents "falling down the stairs" just like what used to happen in the 70's.

Three Legs Mar 16th 2009 1:28 pm
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My best friend here was on the scene at the time (he is a police officer serving out of Joondalup).

The police were definately not over zealous in their use of force during this incident ... I trust his viewpoint entirely, he is a down to earth 'one of the lads' coppers ... no bad in him.

This is a miscarriage of justice whichever way people try and portray it. It's actually a f***ing disgrace.

The 'anti-police' brigade on here need to take a long hard look at themselves ... maybe one day, they will be begging for the boys in Blue to come to their rescue.

... *shakes head* ...

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Originally Posted by fraser (Post 7382480)
You were there then? Surely if it was a cut and dried as that there would have been a guilty verdict?

moneypenny20 Mar 16th 2009 1:31 pm
Re: Cop Bashers Walk Free
 
Originally Posted by Three Legs (Post 7386892)

The 'anti-police' brigade on here need to take a long hard look at themselves ... maybe one day, they will be begging for the boys in Blue to come to their rescue.

... *shakes head* ...

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We must be reading different threads. I've not seen any 'anti-police' comments. I've simply seen queries about the police handling of the case from people who don't know exactly what went down.

Three Legs Mar 16th 2009 1:33 pm
Re: Cop Bashers Walk Free
 
It is implied ...

Originally Posted by moneypen20 (Post 7386901)
We must be reading different threads. I've not seen any 'anti-police' comments. I've simply seen queries about the police handling of the case from people who don't know exactly what went down.

moneypenny20 Mar 16th 2009 1:38 pm
Re: Cop Bashers Walk Free
 
Originally Posted by Three Legs (Post 7386910)
It is implied ...
:sneaky: or is that your assumption ;)

fraser Mar 16th 2009 1:52 pm
Re: Cop Bashers Walk Free
 
Originally Posted by renth (Post 7386879)
Sure, a load of pissed jocks got into a fight with a load of pissed painters which spilled out on to the street. Cops turned up, tried to break up the fight..
So you don't then!
Originally Posted by Three Legs (Post 7386892)
My best friend here was on the scene at the time (he is a police officer serving out of Joondalup).

The police were definately not over zealous in their use of force during this incident ... I trust his viewpoint entirely, he is a down to earth 'one of the lads' coppers ... no bad in him.

This is a miscarriage of justice whichever way people try and portray it. It's actually a f***ing disgrace.

The 'anti-police' brigade on here need to take a long hard look at themselves ... maybe one day, they will be begging for the boys in Blue to come to their rescue.

... *shakes head* ...

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Sorry but whether he's your friend or not (I'm not saying that he is lying at all) if the police were over zealous he's hardly going to admit to it is he.

I think a mod should change the title of this thread it's misleading as factually "cop bashers didn't walk free" innocent men did.

That is the law they were proven innocent, or does the law only matter when it suits those on here:p

renth Mar 16th 2009 1:59 pm
Re: Cop Bashers Walk Free
 
Originally Posted by fraser (Post 7386931)
So you don't then!


Sorry but whether he's your friend or not (I'm not saying that he is lying at all) if the police were over zealous he's hardly going to admit to it is he.

I think a mod should change the title of this thread it's misleading as factually "cop bashers didn't walk free" innocent men did.

That is the law they were proven innocent, or does the law only matter when it suits those on here:p
Next you'll be telling us OJ Simpson didn't kill his ex wife and her lover.

Three Legs Mar 16th 2009 2:00 pm
Re: Cop Bashers Walk Free
 
Originally Posted by fraser (Post 7386931)
Sorry but whether he's your friend or not (I'm not saying that he is lying at all) if the police were over zealous he's hardly going to admit to it is he.
WRONG ... he would ... and has openly admitted to me if things may have gone a little too far in other situations.

Trust me ... this case is a shocker for the courts & judicial system.

Matt Butcher deserves better.

lapin_windstar Mar 16th 2009 2:16 pm
Re: Cop Bashers Walk Free
 
Originally Posted by spilko (Post 7386674)
All no right minded person would ever think that a cowardly flying headbutt from behind was self defence or reasonable force.
But that's exactly what a jury of twelve (or was it eleven?) reasonable and normal people decided - that it was proportionate to the assault that was taking place (in this case, a second shot from a Taser which can be a lethal weapon, although it is supposedly designed to be less lethal).

Originally Posted by spilko (Post 7386629)
So you think removing a juror, who decided immediately at the end of the trial that the case was so clear cut that they were guilty, was the right thing to do??? Is there a law in Australia that states a juror is not allowed to make a decision and stick to it???
Honestly, I can't find a reliable news report about this, so if you can point me towards one, I'd be grateful. The suggestion was (earlier in this thread) that she couldn't stick on topic. Judges are pretty disinclined to dismiss jurors, and if it was improper of him to do so, the prosection can appeal that decision.

fraser Mar 16th 2009 2:28 pm
Re: Cop Bashers Walk Free
 
Originally Posted by renth (Post 7386937)
Next you'll be telling us OJ Simpson didn't kill his ex wife and her lover.
I have no idea if he did, I've never read anything about the case.

renth Mar 16th 2009 2:31 pm
Re: Cop Bashers Walk Free
 
Originally Posted by fraser (Post 7386991)
I have no idea if he did, I've never read anything about the case.
I'll fill you in. He did kill them but got away with it because he had a very expensive and very good lawyer. Oh, and they made sure they rejected loads of jurors until they got the jury demographic they wanted (and could most easily manipulate).

Sounds familiar?

Baz Mar 16th 2009 2:36 pm
Re: Cop Bashers Walk Free
 
Originally Posted by renth (Post 7386997)
I'll fill you in. He did kill them but got away with it because he had a very expensive and very good lawyer. Oh, and they made sure they rejected loads of jurors until they got the jury demographic they wanted (and could most easily manipulate).

Sounds familiar?
And this is what sums up the judicial system these days, its not got anything to truth and justice, its about well paid lawyers, distorting the facts, and playing 'the game.' Its the same in the UK, i'm sure its the same in the States, and its definately the same in Oz.

fraser Mar 16th 2009 2:45 pm
Re: Cop Bashers Walk Free
 
Originally Posted by renth (Post 7386997)
I'll fill you in. He did kill them but got away with it because he had a very expensive and very good lawyer. Oh, and they made sure they rejected loads of jurors until they got the jury demographic they wanted (and could most easily manipulate).

Sounds familiar?

No not at all. Every single court case has jurors rejected by both the defense and prosecution, that's the way it works so I don't get your point.

fraser Mar 16th 2009 2:46 pm
Re: Cop Bashers Walk Free
 
Originally Posted by Baz (Post 7387009)
And this is what sums up the judicial system these days, its not got anything to truth and justice, its about well paid lawyers, distorting the facts, and playing 'the game.' Its the same in the UK, i'm sure its the same in the States, and its definately the same in Oz.
How do you distort facts:confused:

Three Legs Mar 16th 2009 3:05 pm
Re: Cop Bashers Walk Free
 
Do we scrap the jury system in favour of a judge decision ... ?

In some US courts, judges are voted in election styley ... This leads to massive behind the scenes funding on the campaign trail by 'those' that may hold a vested interest in potential cases ... They back the horse they think will lean their way ...

That f***ing John Grisham has got a lot to answer for :rofl:

Originally Posted by renth (Post 7386997)
I'll fill you in. He did kill them but got away with it because he had a very expensive and very good lawyer. Oh, and they made sure they rejected loads of jurors until they got the jury demographic they wanted (and could most easily manipulate).

Sounds familiar?


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