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renth Mar 11th 2009 9:43 pm

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I couldn't believe my ears when I heard this on the news... I actually saw the video of the dude flying through the air and headbutting the policeman who was trying to break up a brawl outside the Old Bailey.

Jury finds McLeods not guilty of police assault


"A District Court jury has found Currambine Plasterer Barry McLeod and his father Robert McLeod not guilty of all charges laid against them regarding assault allegations that left Const. Matthew Butcher with severe head injuries after a brawl outside a popular Joondalup tavern."

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.as...ntentID=129770

EvannTel Mar 11th 2009 10:20 pm

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Originally Posted by renth (Post 7370969)
I couldn't believe my ears when I heard this on the news... I actually saw the video of the dude flying through the air and headbutting the policeman who was trying to break up a brawl outside the Old Bailey.

Jury finds McLeods not guilty of police assault


"A District Court jury has found Currambine Plasterer Barry McLeod and his father Robert McLeod not guilty of all charges laid against them regarding assault allegations that left Const. Matthew Butcher with severe head injuries after a brawl outside a popular Joondalup tavern."

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.as...ntentID=129770


Hmmmm, my interpretation of this then would be that the courts are saying it IS ok to take the law into your own hands.

NKSK version 2 Mar 11th 2009 10:39 pm

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Originally Posted by renth (Post 7370969)
I couldn't believe my ears when I heard this on the news... I actually saw the video of the dude flying through the air and headbutting the policeman who was trying to break up a brawl outside the Old Bailey.

Jury finds McLeods not guilty of police assault


"A District Court jury has found Currambine Plasterer Barry McLeod and his father Robert McLeod not guilty of all charges laid against them regarding assault allegations that left Const. Matthew Butcher with severe head injuries after a brawl outside a popular Joondalup tavern."

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.as...ntentID=129770

I couldn't believe this.

I'm also struck by the paradox: he was innocent of all charges apart from threatening to kill the person who filmed it...!

Doesn't this suggest something? - i.e. he felt the need to threaten someone with evidence? Pourquoi?

EvannTel Mar 11th 2009 10:53 pm

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I've just seen the video on the news....

How THAT isn't unreasonable force I don't know!

The Bloke Mar 11th 2009 10:53 pm

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Originally Posted by renth (Post 7370969)
I couldn't believe my ears when I heard this on the news... I actually saw the video of the dude flying through the air and headbutting the policeman who was trying to break up a brawl outside the Old Bailey.

Jury finds McLeods not guilty of police assault


"A District Court jury has found Currambine Plasterer Barry McLeod and his father Robert McLeod not guilty of all charges laid against them regarding assault allegations that left Const. Matthew Butcher with severe head injuries after a brawl outside a popular Joondalup tavern."

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.as...ntentID=129770

:curse: Almost makes you wish they would bring back the good old days when the cops could kick the living crap out of people like this and get away with it.

bridie Mar 11th 2009 11:01 pm

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bizarre... and what message is it sending out to other thugs? :(

Funky Monkey Mar 12th 2009 12:10 am

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Originally Posted by renth (Post 7370969)
I couldn't believe my ears when I heard this on the news... I actually saw the video of the dude flying through the air and headbutting the policeman who was trying to break up a brawl outside the Old Bailey.

Jury finds McLeods not guilty of police assault


"A District Court jury has found Currambine Plasterer Barry McLeod and his father Robert McLeod not guilty of all charges laid against them regarding assault allegations that left Const. Matthew Butcher with severe head injuries after a brawl outside a popular Joondalup tavern."

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.as...ntentID=129770

I could not believe this either. I have followed this case and would have bet money they would go down even if only for a short time.

Loch Lomond Mar 12th 2009 12:55 am

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We need to bear in mind that the verdict was chosen by a representative selection of the general public i.e. A JURY. So no matter what any of us think, the legal process has been carried out. All anyone who opposes the decision can hope for is a successfull appeal.

EvannTel Mar 12th 2009 1:07 am

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Originally Posted by Loch Lomond (Post 7371713)
We need to bear in mind that the verdict was chosen by a representative selection of the general public i.e. A JURY. So no matter what any of us think, the legal process has been carried out. All anyone who opposes the decision can hope for is a successfull appeal.

Yep very true but....
the jury will be strongly influenced by strongly argued defence barristers, poorly argued prosecutors and summing up by the judge (would be interested to hear that).

Also I am 99% sure a not guilty verdict cannot be appealed. England definitely not and as Australian Law is UK based I would have thought the same.

I wonder what the exact verdict of the jury was, i.e. hung, no majority etc.

nickyjohnt Mar 12th 2009 1:09 am

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Absolutely disgusting verdict. This is the type of message all the scum bags out there are loving.
Tough on crime against law enforcement officers! What a joke.
The Judge should be ashamed.
This family are well know for their arrogance. The day of the offence one of them had been threatening his inlaws and was taken in for questioning and was obviously fired up before he went to the Old Bailey . I feel sorry for the neighbours of this family because no doubt they are partying big time in Currumbine tonight.
It won't be the last we hear of this (Scottish Scum Family) and before anyone gets on their high horse i would say the same if they were ENGLISH
:curse::curse:

Loch Lomond Mar 12th 2009 1:27 am

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Originally Posted by EvannTel (Post 7371766)
Yep very true but....
the jury will be strongly influenced by strongly argued defence barristers, poorly argued prosecutors and summing up by the judge .

Why poorly argued prosecutors? They have plenty of time to prepare a case, and can ask for a delay if they need it.


Originally Posted by nickyjohnt (Post 7371787)
Absolutely disgusting verdict. This is the type of message all the scum bags out there are loving.
Tough on crime against law enforcement officers! :

Agree completely, not just crime against police but also lack of law enforcement against Jo Blogs.

EvannTel Mar 12th 2009 1:32 am

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Originally Posted by Loch Lomond (Post 7371876)
Why poorly argued prosecutors? They have plenty of time to prepare a case, and can ask for a delay if they need it.

Oh true enough and not necessarily the case here (not knowing the full transcript). The point I was making after you pointed out this was a jury decision, was that jurors, irrespective if the facts, can be influenced by the team which argues and bluffs better than the others. The judge however should clear any misdirection up during summing up.

Kalenge Mar 12th 2009 1:45 am

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Just saw the footage myself on the news. Shocking beyond belief. Who would want to be a policeman?

It's absolutely abhorrent that these thugs are getting off without charge. There's been talk in the past few months where any assault on a police officer has a mandatory jail sentence. Fat lot of good that will do if the jury finds them not guilty.

The police should go on strike ... if the law doesn't protect them, who is going to protect the community?

And shame on the defence lawyers for managing to pull the wool over the eyes of the jury.

nickyjohnt Mar 12th 2009 2:06 am

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Originally Posted by Kalenge (Post 7371942)
Just saw the footage myself on the news. Shocking beyond belief. Who would want to be a policeman?

It's absolutely abhorrent that these thugs are getting off without charge. There's been talk in the past few months where any assault on a police officer has a mandatory jail sentence. Fat lot of good that will do if the jury finds them not guilty.

The police should go on strike ... if the law doesn't protect them, who is going to protect the community?

And shame on the defence lawyers for managing to pull the wool over the eyes of the jury.

The defence lawyers are scum also, getting paid huge sums to defend the obviously guilty, I wonder how they can sleep at night, But they are ok they have the scum on their defence and no doubt be partying with them tonight with a large sum in their bank accounts.
I hope Scott Mcleod gets whats coming to him tomorrow as the only thing any of them were found guilty of was threatening to "KILL" the person who was filming the whole thing on his phone But I doubt it:curse:

renth Mar 12th 2009 1:30 pm

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Can I urge anyone who cares about this to join the following group of Facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/gr...0398158&ref=nf

stewmac Mar 12th 2009 1:37 pm

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A family of Jakeys of the highest order ,disgrace:thumbdown:

spilko Mar 12th 2009 2:07 pm

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Disgraceful decision but I am not surprised. Aussies glorify loutish behaviour so it is no wonder a jury of peers aquitted the thugs. I've lived in some rough places in the UK but Perth is more violent and decisions like this are part of the reasons why.

We can only hope that some form of justice does prevail (one of them does have a dicky heart after all).

northerner Mar 12th 2009 3:16 pm

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I just read this on yahoo and was just about to post something here.

This is singularly the most astonishing and disgusting decision I had seen/heard in a very, very long time.

Simply astounding.

Graham :confused:

scrubbedexpat001 Mar 12th 2009 5:22 pm

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Husband of a serving WAPOL officer who transferred here from the UK - shocked & saddened by the legal process here :(

Baz Mar 12th 2009 5:44 pm

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The world has gone mad, sometimes i wonder why we bother :confused:

Three Legs Mar 12th 2009 5:54 pm

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Sickening.

I've just spoke with a couple of mates who happen to be colleagues of Matt Butcher.

There is a feeling of shear disbelief amongst the officers right now ...

Why would they bother answering the next job over the radio when this is the potential outcome?

There's something seriously wrong with the judicial system ... if this doesn't prove that, I'll be buggered what will.

3

NKSK version 2 Mar 12th 2009 6:23 pm

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Originally Posted by Three Legs (Post 7374521)
Sickening.

I've just spoke with a couple of mates who happen to be colleagues of Matt Butcher.

There is a feeling of shear disbelief amongst the officers right now ...

Why would they bother answering the next job over the radio when this is the potential outcome?

There's something seriously wrong with the judicial system ... if this doesn't prove that, I'll be buggered what will.

3

And it makes you wonder how many innocents have been put away by such an obviously dodgy system...

Baz Mar 12th 2009 6:38 pm

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Originally Posted by NKSK version 2 (Post 7374567)
And it makes you wonder how many innocents have been put away by such an obviously dodgy system...

What do you mean?

spilko Mar 12th 2009 6:53 pm

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Originally Posted by NKSK version 2 (Post 7374567)
And it makes you wonder how many innocents have been put away by such an obviously dodgy system...

Doesn't change the fact that these thugs should have been put away.

nickyjohnt Mar 12th 2009 9:54 pm

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Originally Posted by NKSK version 2 (Post 7374567)
And it makes you wonder how many innocents have been put away by such an obviously dodgy system...

You should be ashamed by that comment:curse:

John

breezeboylan Mar 12th 2009 10:32 pm

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Originally Posted by nickyjohnt (Post 7375040)
You should be ashamed by that comment:curse:

John

Why should they be ashamed by that comment? If a system is so flawed that it allows guilty people to walk free then it also allows innocent people to be found guilty. I think it's a perfectly logical statement.

nickyjohnt Mar 12th 2009 10:36 pm

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Originally Posted by breezeboylan (Post 7375124)
Why should they be ashamed by that comment? If a system is so flawed that it allows guilty people to walk free then it also allows innocent people to be found guilty. I think it's a perfectly logical statement.

That was not my interpretation of his quote but i may be wrong, if i am so be it

breezeboylan Mar 12th 2009 10:39 pm

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Originally Posted by nickyjohnt (Post 7375134)
That was not my interpretation of his quote but i may be wrong, if i am so be it

Fair enough, maybe I've interpreted it wrong, who knows!

Tracie

nickyjohnt Mar 12th 2009 10:56 pm

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[QUOTE=spilko;7374082

(one of them does have a dicky heart after all).[/QUOTE]

Maybe he should lay off the piss for a while;) its obvious he can´t handle it

squeezzii Mar 12th 2009 11:24 pm

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I find it astonishing that there was a blatant assault, there for anyone to view- I understood that if you assault a policeman- that is what it is-ASSAULT. how no one was found to have done anything wrong here dumfounds me. Of course the question is- if the film was of a policeman launching an attack like that leaving the civillian disabled- would the policeman have been found not guilty?

Dennis The Menace Mar 12th 2009 11:31 pm

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Originally Posted by spilko (Post 7374082)
Disgraceful decision but I am not surprised. Aussies glorify loutish behaviour so it is no wonder a jury of peers aquitted the thugs.

Maybe its because he was wearing Aussie Shorts;)

Still A <snip> Coward

Dennis

seayork2002 Mar 12th 2009 11:35 pm

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I am waiting for someone out there to say they are the real "victims" and blame their childhood, drink problem, ate a chocolate bar etc

Dennis The Menace Mar 12th 2009 11:35 pm

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Originally Posted by squeezzii (Post 7375248)
I find it astonishing that there was a blatant assault, there for anyone to view- I understood that if you assault a policeman- that is what it is-ASSAULT. how no one was found to have done anything wrong here dumfounds me. Of course the question is- if the film was of a policeman launching an attack like that leaving the civillian disabled- would the policeman have been found not guilty?

I very much doubt it, The Justice system here is so ****ed up even when there is video evidence.

Dennis

squeezzii Mar 12th 2009 11:38 pm

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Whilst I would really not want to believe your statement this is very difficult to see how it can be a reliable system with examples like this

moneypenny20 Mar 13th 2009 12:10 am

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Originally Posted by breezeboylan (Post 7375124)
Why should they be ashamed by that comment? If a system is so flawed that it allows guilty people to walk free then it also allows innocent people to be found guilty. I think it's a perfectly logical statement.


Originally Posted by nickyjohnt (Post 7375134)
That was not my interpretation of his quote but i may be wrong, if i am so be it

Have to agree with Breeze as to the interpretation.

Unfortunately as long as humans are in control of democratic justice, mistakes will happen either way. Surprised with this one though, considering it was a policeman involved.

Dennis The Menace Mar 13th 2009 12:33 am

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Originally Posted by Dennis The Menace (Post 7375267)
Maybe its because he was wearing Aussie Shorts;)

Still A <snip> Coward

Dennis

Ok Moneypen20 i will rephrase that Still a Coward that originated from North of Hadrians Wall;)

the dooners Mar 13th 2009 2:47 am

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They're giving good scottish white trash a bad name:curse:

the dooners

mr mover Mar 13th 2009 11:37 am

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Originally Posted by the dooners (Post 7375787)
They're giving good scottish white trash a bad name:curse:

the dooners

If i was the mcleods ,i would be leaving WA , they are going to lead a miserable existance from now on . Speeding fines , car defects, harrasment from the general public,...........;)mm

perksy Mar 13th 2009 5:25 pm

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Cowardness is in their genes. Check todays paper

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.as...ntentID=129975

They should deport the scum

spilko Mar 13th 2009 11:18 pm

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It now comes out that a juror who had listened to all the evidence and decided that the thugs were guilty was dismissed from the jury because she wouldn't discuss the case. What a joke!


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