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Re: The Beatles
Originally Posted by viviennef
(Post 8293100)
who cares about hypocrisy though? Its an ideal, a wish - most songs do not represent the artist's true persona.
I'm sure thats not what John Lennon was aiming for. If I had time I'd look it up for you, but its on youtube, something like 'If Imagine really happened'. JTL |
Re: The Beatles
Originally Posted by JackTheLad
(Post 8293188)
I heard a comedian one time run through the consequences of actually carrying out the lyrics of 'Imagine'. It was very funny, we'd all be dead, and a few psychopaths would be running whats left of the world.
I'm sure thats not what John Lennon was aiming for. If I had time I'd look it up for you, but its on youtube, something like 'If Imagine really happened'. JTL Lennon was a tool. |
Re: The Beatles
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 8293230)
Yep, one of the worst songs ever written.
Lennon was a tool. |
Re: The Beatles
Originally Posted by scottishcelts
(Post 8293235)
Why, because he wrote one dodgy song?
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Re: The Beatles
Just so as you are aware, saying ''The Beatles are crap'' or ''they were just lucky'' or some such nonsense is no different to saying ''I know nothing at all about popular music''. They are identical statements in meaning.
Most songwriters will never write a song like Yesterday, Ticket To Ride, In My Life, Eleanor Rigby, Strawberry Fields Forever, And I Love Her, The Fool On The Hill, Hey Jude, I Am The Walrus etc etc etc etc etc etc in their entire careers. Lennon/McCartney each wrote dozens of classics whilst still only in their twenties. Saying that they were ''rubbish as solo artists'' is also silly. Both struggled to maintain the same standard once they didn't have the other to compete with any more but they still wrote good songs. Lennon especially wrote great stuff post-Beatles, but became fixated on Yoko/fighting the US government/having a Lost Weekend/being a Dad to Sean etc etc etc. Saying ''The Beatles are no good'' is the same as saying that there is nothing thought-provoking in the works of Shakespeare. |
Re: The Beatles
Noting that there are some pro-Australia types here slagging off The Beatles. Wonder if there's something significant in that.................................
Something about cultural redundancy perhaps. |
Re: The Beatles
Originally Posted by scottishcelts
(Post 8293235)
Why, because he wrote one dodgy song?
A vastly overrated individual. |
Re: The Beatles
Originally Posted by moneypenny20
(Post 8293244)
Wrote more than one! Him being a tool isn't just because of some songs, more to do with him and some of his life choices and actions. (IMO anyway).
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Re: The Beatles
Originally Posted by viviennef
(Post 8293075)
I love the beatles. But I really wish I didnt name my son Jude - now all of us sing it constantly without meaning to. And call him Judy judy judy judy ahhhhhh
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Re: The Beatles
Originally Posted by mono
(Post 8293253)
Just so as you are aware, saying ''The Beatles are crap'' or ''they were just lucky'' or some such nonsense is no different to saying ''I know nothing at all about popular music''. They are identical statements in meaning.
As for the pro Australian bit, I'm confused because I am as equally pro UK as I am Australian, so not sure where that puts me, other than in a very happy place. |
Re: The Beatles
Originally Posted by mono
(Post 8293256)
Noting that there are some pro-Australia types here slagging off The Beatles. Wonder if there's something significant in that.................................
Something about cultural redundancy perhaps. He, BTW you weren't here to see how well you did in the 2009 BE Awards. Congrats on that |
Re: The Beatles
Originally Posted by mono
(Post 8293253)
Lennon especially wrote great stuff post-Beatles, but became fixated on Yoko/fighting the US government/having a Lost Weekend/being a Dad to Sean etc etc etc.
Its a very catchy song, but did he have to write it about her? When all she came up with was pretentious crap. Why didn't he just do a monologue in an echoey room, and then say 'yes' at the end of it. Thats how he fell in love with her. At her art exhibition there was a ladder, and if you climbed the ladder to see what was written on the ceiling, it said 'yes' Instead he wrote a bloody good song! He was a wasted talent. One way by a wife who distracted him, and then being killed when he was getting creative again. JTL |
Re: The Beatles
Originally Posted by moneypenny20
(Post 8293086)
Imagine is crap, I hate it. :D So hypocritical considering how he lived, totally colours it for me.
You might hate it and that's fair enough but I think you've missed the whole of his point. He wasn't saying why don't you all imagine yourselves without money and possessions while I take you all to the cleaners for the royalties. He was saying imagine how good it would be without Gods, money, countries, skin colour, race and possessions for EVERYONE, himself included. |
Re: The Beatles
Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders
(Post 8293140)
Interestingly, those 3 songs that you quote were actually almost exclusively written by McCartney and not Lennon
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Re: The Beatles
Originally Posted by Fenton Beasley
(Post 8293413)
You might hate it and that's fair enough but I think you've missed the whole of his point. He wasn't saying why don't you all imagine yourselves without money and possessions while I take you all to the cleaners for the royalties. He was saying imagine how good it would be without Gods, money, countries, skin colour, race and possessions for EVERYONE, himself included.
It's a shite song. |
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