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The older i get the more i like this band...better late than never :blink:

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I like some of their stuff - they got a bit up themselves towards the end.

I think Lennon was a f**kwit, as for McCartney........

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and dont forget the talentless one called Ringo....talk about being in the right place at the right time :ohmy:

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So that leave Harrison, he was alright - if a bit boring.

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Oasis were better :D

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Still don't rate them. Right place, right time, don't deserve the adulation though, just luck. Both only reasonable when on their own and both weighed down by untalented wives who got involved in their careers.

Just my opinion mind :D

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Luck?

They pretty much created pop, then turned their hand to psychedelia and mastered both. I am not a huge fan, in fact I really can't stand their earlier pop stuff, but they deserve huge respect for the impact (positive) they have had on music. I reckon you could in some shape or form associate the Beatles to any style of music over the last 40 years.

I agree with you that by themselves they were crap, but that was the beauty of that partnership, they were the perfect musical partnership (Lennon and McCartney that is) that complemented each other amazingly. No other musical partnership even comes close to what they have left as part of their legacy

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They probably peaked with 'Revolver'

After that it was just a bit mad, Sgt Pepper was a clever idea but not a great album. The white album should have been a single album rather than a double so obviously their quality control had gone out of the window, and Yoko was sticking her opinions in (Number 9 anyone?).

But to say they were irrelevant, even after Revolver is mad. What about 'Hey Jude', or 'Let it be'. They wrote some great stuff.

As for their solo stuff, Lennon did some quite good songs, but again, quality control had gone out the window. Some good songs, and some crap that shouldn't have made it out of the studio.

And of course, McCartney did the 'Frog Chorus', his seminal work.

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Yet those two albums are regularly voted as two of the best ever albums by anyone

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Yeah, Sgt Pepper as its a clever and original idea, and has a few good songs on it.

The white album, because it has alot of good songs on it, interspersed with crap ones. As I say, an 'abridged' version of the white album would have been so much better.

Basically they should have got a producer to say, **** off Yoko, now here are the songs that have made it on to the album.

JTL

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They did, his name was Paul

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Strange isn't it, the two worse songs, in my opinion, they ever did, were Hey Jude and Let it Be. They are nearly as bad as Mull of Sodding Kintyre!

I still think it was luck and timing but it's just an opinion, not important ;)

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They changed music. Utterly. They have a catalogue of some of some of the most original and timeless songs in history.
But they changed music, utterly.

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even their half-arsed attempts at humour like Octopus' Garden and Ob-La-Di-Ob-La-Da were excellent musically!

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Sure. They had some masterpieces too. She's leaving home and I am the Walrus for me!

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Eleanor Rigby and A Day In The Life are my favourites

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I love She's Leaving Home and Eleanor Rigby.

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I love the beatles. But I really wish I didnt name my son Jude - now all of us sing it constantly without meaning to. And call him Judy judy judy judy ahhhhhh

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Mull of Sodding Kintyre:p . Right up there with the Sodding Frog Chrous eh?


But seriously, songs like Penny Lane, Eleanor Rigby, Strawberry Fields. They still really work for me, and I've heard them 1000's of times.

Oh I remember one that gave me nightmares as a kid, 'Fool on the hill'. It makes me shiver now even thinking of it. Even Eleanor Rigby freaked me out, apparently she keeps her face in a jar by the door. This was 30 years before Silence of the Lambs

JTL

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and I like John Lennon solo - I really dont get how anyone can say he was useless. I love Woman, working class hero, imagine etc - I mean its class!

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"In my life" for my funeral:lol:

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He was misled by a female. Imagine that!

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Imagine is crap, I hate it. :D So hypocritical considering how he lived, totally colours it for me.

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who cares about hypocrisy though? Its an ideal, a wish - most songs do not represent the artist's true persona.

I think it would be in my top 50 songs. I am a bit of an idealist too however my life definately doesnt represent that :rofl:

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I do, big time. :D Hate it in all walks of life and as I said, it totally colours how I view the song. Just think it totally simplistic and dislike the actual tune, bit too durge like for me. Vive la difference! :lol:

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It matters not. Suffice to say, we have bands like Oasis cloning their work 30 years after they split. They changed everything.

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agreed. And I love simple

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Love John Lennon, not so much as a singer, but lyrically he was a legend. Loved his 'Some time in New York City' album :thumbup:

Hey Jude, I am the Walrus and Eleanor Rigby are my favourite Beatles tunes.

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Interestingly, those 3 songs that you quote were actually almost exclusively written by McCartney and not Lennon

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I did say they were my fav Beatles songs. John Lennon aside is a different kettle of fish.

So there.

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I heard a comedian one time run through the consequences of actually carrying out the lyrics of 'Imagine'. It was very funny, we'd all be dead, and a few psychopaths would be running whats left of the world.

I'm sure thats not what John Lennon was aiming for.

If I had time I'd look it up for you, but its on youtube, something like 'If Imagine really happened'.

JTL

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Yep, one of the worst songs ever written.

Lennon was a tool.

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Why, because he wrote one dodgy song?

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Wrote more than one! Him being a tool isn't just because of some songs, more to do with him and some of his life choices and actions. (IMO anyway).

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Just so as you are aware, saying ''The Beatles are crap'' or ''they were just lucky'' or some such nonsense is no different to saying ''I know nothing at all about popular music''. They are identical statements in meaning.

Most songwriters will never write a song like Yesterday, Ticket To Ride, In My Life, Eleanor Rigby, Strawberry Fields Forever, And I Love Her, The Fool On The Hill, Hey Jude, I Am The Walrus etc etc etc etc etc etc in their entire careers. Lennon/McCartney each wrote dozens of classics whilst still only in their twenties.

Saying that they were ''rubbish as solo artists'' is also silly. Both struggled to maintain the same standard once they didn't have the other to compete with any more but they still wrote good songs. Lennon especially wrote great stuff post-Beatles, but became fixated on Yoko/fighting the US government/having a Lost Weekend/being a Dad to Sean etc etc etc.

Saying ''The Beatles are no good'' is the same as saying that there is nothing thought-provoking in the works of Shakespeare.

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Noting that there are some pro-Australia types here slagging off The Beatles. Wonder if there's something significant in that.................................

Something about cultural redundancy perhaps.

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No, it was because most of what came out of his mouth was pure shite - as well as a lot of the things he did.

A vastly overrated individual.

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Yeah suppose, he was defo a tool in his choice of wife I have to say.

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:rofl::rofl::rofl: My son's Jude as well. I sing Judy Judy Judy Judy to him all the time. He's only 2 but I bet he'll hate the beatles by the time he grows up:p

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Err, no they're not. They are a matter of personal opinion. If that disagrees with yours, it doesn't make them wrong, it makes them different. Deal with the fact that people have their own feelings and opinions on everything and that no one is wrong and no one is right in having those opinions.

As for the pro Australian bit, I'm confused because I am as equally pro UK as I am Australian, so not sure where that puts me, other than in a very happy place.