Aborigines?
Aug 1st 2010 | 11:11 pm
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Re: Aborigines?
Obviously I'll reserve judgement towards them until then.
And picking the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is slightly unfair, I could just as easily counter that argument with an equally irrelevant fact that we pump billions in to the third world to educate and protect.
From a humanitarian 'big picture' point of view, it sounds as though they are in dire need of help.
And picking the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is slightly unfair, I could just as easily counter that argument with an equally irrelevant fact that we pump billions in to the third world to educate and protect.
From a humanitarian 'big picture' point of view, it sounds as though they are in dire need of help.
They are very poorly off and pretty poorly treated... but the Australian Gov pumps billions into 'Indigenous projects' with minimal success at best. When I first arrived I was pretty shocked by societies general attitude towards them... I'm just used to it now.
Aug 1st 2010 | 11:15 pm
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Aug 1st 2010 | 11:17 pm
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Re: Aborigines?
treat them well, treat them like people, like real people, respect them and they will come to respect you.... treat them like shit and don’t respect them...they won’t respect you and probably won’t piss on you if you were on fire.....
all these people need is a little respect, a little respect goes a long long way....
if you respect a person, even if he is wasted on durgs booze etc... im sure that person will remember you for respecting him....
he will go on to tell his mates this dude treated me with respect etc... in turn they will start to treat you with respect... its a long chain...piss one off...piss them all off....
in london i was working in Soho for a few years and there was this black guy who always had a can in a hand and a cup asking for change, so one day he asked me for some change and i said ...if i give you some change you will spend it on drink so how about i get you something to eat.... he was happy with that... saw him a few times every time i saw him i would grab in a sandwich or something to eat.... then one night i was walking through soho ( yea just a tad drunk) and started getting hassled by some drunk kids....they wanted my bag.... walking across the road was the tamp who i got food for a few times.... as they tried to grab my bag, he comes over and smacks one round the head and they all run off.... he said he saw me so he's come and help.... which he did, saved me from having my bag nicked...after having missed the tube etc.. sat down on the bench and had a good chat with him.... learnt that he was from Canada... had a promising NFL hockey career till he busted his knee came back to the UK to find his folks but had no luck...so he was homeless, and was pissed off on how he was being treated by everyone.. He knows that he had issues etc but did not know what to do.... i was talking to him about how he should get himself off the drink and start selling the big issues etc.... well.... 2 months down the line i saw him again and he started selling the big issue outside our office...! looked much better did not drink as much and you could hear what he was saying... things only got better for him.....a month or so after, outsider our office i got a massive delivery of new pc's etc... this guy dropped what he was doing and gave me a hand to carry 100+ boxes inside did not ask for anything... the MD saw him giving me a hand and said if he wanted a job.... he became the office mailguy.... got himself a flat to rent, made friends with everyone, in fact everyone loved him at work great guy....a month later you would never have known this guy to be homeless drunk.....
he still had a drink issues which people at work where helping him with, they even arranged for him to go and see his family in Canada for a few weeks....
8 years later, last i heard he got a nice girlfriend off the drink baby on the way, been to see his family and they even came to visit him.......
just think how it could have been..... if i had not got him a bite to eat here and there. i was only 20 at the time....
all these people need is a little respect, a little respect goes a long long way....
if you respect a person, even if he is wasted on durgs booze etc... im sure that person will remember you for respecting him....
he will go on to tell his mates this dude treated me with respect etc... in turn they will start to treat you with respect... its a long chain...piss one off...piss them all off....
in london i was working in Soho for a few years and there was this black guy who always had a can in a hand and a cup asking for change, so one day he asked me for some change and i said ...if i give you some change you will spend it on drink so how about i get you something to eat.... he was happy with that... saw him a few times every time i saw him i would grab in a sandwich or something to eat.... then one night i was walking through soho ( yea just a tad drunk) and started getting hassled by some drunk kids....they wanted my bag.... walking across the road was the tamp who i got food for a few times.... as they tried to grab my bag, he comes over and smacks one round the head and they all run off.... he said he saw me so he's come and help.... which he did, saved me from having my bag nicked...after having missed the tube etc.. sat down on the bench and had a good chat with him.... learnt that he was from Canada... had a promising NFL hockey career till he busted his knee came back to the UK to find his folks but had no luck...so he was homeless, and was pissed off on how he was being treated by everyone.. He knows that he had issues etc but did not know what to do.... i was talking to him about how he should get himself off the drink and start selling the big issues etc.... well.... 2 months down the line i saw him again and he started selling the big issue outside our office...! looked much better did not drink as much and you could hear what he was saying... things only got better for him.....a month or so after, outsider our office i got a massive delivery of new pc's etc... this guy dropped what he was doing and gave me a hand to carry 100+ boxes inside did not ask for anything... the MD saw him giving me a hand and said if he wanted a job.... he became the office mailguy.... got himself a flat to rent, made friends with everyone, in fact everyone loved him at work great guy....a month later you would never have known this guy to be homeless drunk.....
he still had a drink issues which people at work where helping him with, they even arranged for him to go and see his family in Canada for a few weeks....
8 years later, last i heard he got a nice girlfriend off the drink baby on the way, been to see his family and they even came to visit him.......
just think how it could have been..... if i had not got him a bite to eat here and there. i was only 20 at the time....
Aug 1st 2010 | 11:19 pm
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Aug 1st 2010 | 11:21 pm
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Aug 1st 2010 | 11:22 pm
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Aug 1st 2010 | 11:23 pm
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mate... I was the most politically person in the whole wide world before I came here... There ARE huge issues affecting the aboriginal population, their history, their culture and the inability of what appears to be a large number to attain "acceptable standards" to a white australian culture of behaviour and lifestyle.. including work ethic, basic living standards, the use of drugs and alcohol, gangs....
and it is EASY to become angry with a people as a whole and forget each one of them is an individual responsible for their own actions... no matter what their history...
It IS hard to see people receive handouts left right and centre people who believe they are "entitled" to services/ benefits/monies and "respect" simply by accident of birth... whilst you struggle.. and have your property and person invaded and disrespected... and it becomes easier to blame "aborigines" rather than individuals
I know some fabulous people... some are aboriginal... I know some Scum of the earth types too... black and white...
Throwing cash at a problem doesn't help it... it creates feelings of resentment ... and facilitates lifestyle choices not conducive to a peaceful and productive society
Wait til you've got here before judging those who resent some common everyday issues here in australia
and it is EASY to become angry with a people as a whole and forget each one of them is an individual responsible for their own actions... no matter what their history...
It IS hard to see people receive handouts left right and centre people who believe they are "entitled" to services/ benefits/monies and "respect" simply by accident of birth... whilst you struggle.. and have your property and person invaded and disrespected... and it becomes easier to blame "aborigines" rather than individuals
I know some fabulous people... some are aboriginal... I know some Scum of the earth types too... black and white...
Throwing cash at a problem doesn't help it... it creates feelings of resentment ... and facilitates lifestyle choices not conducive to a peaceful and productive society
Wait til you've got here before judging those who resent some common everyday issues here in australia
Aug 1st 2010 | 11:25 pm
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Aug 1st 2010 | 11:28 pm
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I lived in the sticks of Perth when I was a kid.
Had a few incidents with aboriginies.
Usually involved them climbing in a window of your house and leaving with your posessions.
I have a very low view of them, but I try not to pass that view on.
If you get punched in the face by a green person, and then get punched in the face by another green person, and the same thing a third time. I bet you'll have a bad opinion and be more wary of green people.
Had a few incidents with aboriginies.
Usually involved them climbing in a window of your house and leaving with your posessions.
I have a very low view of them, but I try not to pass that view on.
If you get punched in the face by a green person, and then get punched in the face by another green person, and the same thing a third time. I bet you'll have a bad opinion and be more wary of green people.
Aug 1st 2010 | 11:36 pm
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What's wrong with respecting them... absolutely nothing, but you will find that a VERY large percentage of Australian society doesn't and there has to be a reason for that.
'reserve judgement' is a pretty common saying, that you don't seem to be familiar with. English not your first language?
'reserve judgement' is a pretty common saying, that you don't seem to be familiar with. English not your first language?
English is my first lanuage..... born in the UK.............
maybe be brown but sure as hell a brit.
Aug 1st 2010 | 11:36 pm
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There are Aboriginals living a, vitually, traditional lifestyle around Australia. Those people I respect. There are other Aboriginals who have embraced a modern lifestyle and can be found in all walks of life. Those people I respect. Then there are those, and in my opinion too many, who have the biggest chips on their shoulders about what happened many years ago. Their aim in life appears to be to blame the whites for all their ills and get as much money out of the government as they possibly can. Those people I have no respect for.
Over the years vast amounts of money have been given to these people and it didn't have to be accounted for! Where did it go? The Aboriginals in charge didn't appear to spend it on health, education or providing clean water to communities.
In the 44 years that I have lived here I have seen governments, of all persuasions, hand out money, try various plans and schemes to help these people but nothing seems to have worked.
My thoughts are that until they decide to help themselves and gain some self respect nothing will. To start with they could stop blaming other people for their woes and take responsibilty for their own lifestyles.
That's what the Aboriginals I know have done.
Over the years vast amounts of money have been given to these people and it didn't have to be accounted for! Where did it go? The Aboriginals in charge didn't appear to spend it on health, education or providing clean water to communities.
In the 44 years that I have lived here I have seen governments, of all persuasions, hand out money, try various plans and schemes to help these people but nothing seems to have worked.
My thoughts are that until they decide to help themselves and gain some self respect nothing will. To start with they could stop blaming other people for their woes and take responsibilty for their own lifestyles.
That's what the Aboriginals I know have done.
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Aug 1st 2010 | 11:40 pm
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"Wrong in respecting them"... no, not really. What I am saying is that you may well start out that way, but if you happen to move to a part of Australia with large Aboriginal populations, then that respect might well dissipate very quickly.
Aug 1st 2010 | 11:46 pm
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I mean, how many people here have spoken to these 'trouble(d)' kids and asked them this? Surely the real problem (from what I've read) is that they're born in to poverty, segregated from mainstream society and thought of as dangerous/scary so they have no other choice than to become what they're presumed to be?
Aug 1st 2010 | 11:51 pm
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Is this fact?
I mean, how many people here have spoken to these 'trouble(d)' kids and asked them this? Surely the real problem (from what I've read) is that they're born in to poverty, segregated from mainstream society and thought of as dangerous/scary so they have no other choice than to become what they're presumed to be?
I mean, how many people here have spoken to these 'trouble(d)' kids and asked them this? Surely the real problem (from what I've read) is that they're born in to poverty, segregated from mainstream society and thought of as dangerous/scary so they have no other choice than to become what they're presumed to be?
Aug 1st 2010 | 11:54 pm
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Is this fact?
I mean, how many people here have spoken to these 'trouble(d)' kids and asked them this? Surely the real problem (from what I've read) is that they're born in to poverty, segregated from mainstream society and thought of as dangerous/scary so they have no other choice than to become what they're presumed to be?
I mean, how many people here have spoken to these 'trouble(d)' kids and asked them this? Surely the real problem (from what I've read) is that they're born in to poverty, segregated from mainstream society and thought of as dangerous/scary so they have no other choice than to become what they're presumed to be?
