Aborigines?
Aug 2nd 2010, 11:55 am
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Re: Aborigines?
That website is written by some Aboriginals. Perhaps it is biased.
Maybe it's not? Maybe it's a true and proper reflection of the situation?
Native American Indian people share many of the same issues.
If you don't know, then perhaps education is your answer. It's all out there.
Maybe it's not? Maybe it's a true and proper reflection of the situation?
Native American Indian people share many of the same issues.
If you don't know, then perhaps education is your answer. It's all out there.
Aug 2nd 2010, 11:58 am
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Re: Aborigines?
At their population is growing, surely something will need to be done at some point but it seems no-one has an answer. Or as you say, over time they'll simply vanish.
Aug 2nd 2010, 12:00 pm
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Aug 2nd 2010, 12:06 pm
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mate... I was the most politically person in the whole wide world before I came here... There ARE huge issues affecting the aboriginal population, their history, their culture and the inability of what appears to be a large number to attain "acceptable standards" to a white australian culture of behaviour and lifestyle.. including work ethic, basic living standards, the use of drugs and alcohol, gangs....
and it is EASY to become angry with a people as a whole and forget each one of them is an individual responsible for their own actions... no matter what their history...
It IS hard to see people receive handouts left right and centre people who believe they are "entitled" to services/ benefits/monies and "respect" simply by accident of birth... whilst you struggle.. and have your property and person invaded and disrespected... and it becomes easier to blame "aborigines" rather than individuals
I know some fabulous people... some are aboriginal... I know some Scum of the earth types too... black and white...
Throwing cash at a problem doesn't help it... it creates feelings of resentment ... and facilitates lifestyle choices not conducive to a peaceful and productive society
Wait til you've got here before judging those who resent some common everyday issues here in australia
and it is EASY to become angry with a people as a whole and forget each one of them is an individual responsible for their own actions... no matter what their history...
It IS hard to see people receive handouts left right and centre people who believe they are "entitled" to services/ benefits/monies and "respect" simply by accident of birth... whilst you struggle.. and have your property and person invaded and disrespected... and it becomes easier to blame "aborigines" rather than individuals
I know some fabulous people... some are aboriginal... I know some Scum of the earth types too... black and white...
Throwing cash at a problem doesn't help it... it creates feelings of resentment ... and facilitates lifestyle choices not conducive to a peaceful and productive society
Wait til you've got here before judging those who resent some common everyday issues here in australia
Someone mentioned education, which I think is the key, hell my folks had a lot of re-education to do! My gran and my dad hated and could not stand black people……. Not nice seeing your brother / uncle hacked up to bits with a knife in Uganda.
Countless racist attacks when they moved to the UK… at the time he hated white people, would not trust them for hell, but over time learnt that not everyone is like that … also
took them a very very long time to learn that not all black people are like that.
I’m 29 and I still get odd racist comments from a bigot once in a while but…. when I was younger ( 9-10) I hated white people, for the way my folks had been treated \ way I was treated at school when out and about etc ……. Took moving to another area and shown that not all “white” people are like that…. So yeah as silly as it sounds in a way I was “educated” which stopped me from being an angry so and so who would get into fights in a split second at school who would hang round with all the other Asians have a fag here and there etc… too someone who sits there and wets myself lol to see what next comment is made from the racist bigot.
Aug 2nd 2010, 12:08 pm
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The thing that strikes me abour Shot's story, is that the homeless guy took on a bit of individual responsibility. He didn't HAVE to help with the mugging incident, but he did. He didn't HAVE to help carry the boxes, but he did. Maybe his good fortune was as a result of his efforts, rather than sitting back & blaming others?
Aug 2nd 2010, 12:08 pm
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You're right I don't get it - I just find it rather sad/confusing to be honest but again, rather interesting.
At their population is growing, surely something will need to be done at some point but it seems no-one has an answer. Or as you say, over time they'll simply vanish.
At their population is growing, surely something will need to be done at some point but it seems no-one has an answer. Or as you say, over time they'll simply vanish.
Could you imagine the UK government passing a law that determined how your dole payments were made based on your race. !
Aug 2nd 2010, 12:10 pm
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Quite the argumentative type aren't you!? 
I agree with some of your points but if the whole world shared your pov I think we'd still be in the dark ages.
Australia is a modern, stable, 1st world country and historical wars based on territory and the strong wiping out the weak aren't really relevant to the current situation from what I understand.
In the modern world, we try to lead by example which means we have a duty to protect and educate.
I agree with some of your points but if the whole world shared your pov I think we'd still be in the dark ages.
Australia is a modern, stable, 1st world country and historical wars based on territory and the strong wiping out the weak aren't really relevant to the current situation from what I understand.
In the modern world, we try to lead by example which means we have a duty to protect and educate.
The Australian government 'thinks' it is doing the morally and ethically right thing by educating aboriginal peopel into acting and behaving the right way.....long way to go there!
Aug 2nd 2010, 12:26 pm
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I lived in the sticks of Perth when I was a kid.
Had a few incidents with aboriginies.
Usually involved them climbing in a window of your house and leaving with your posessions.
I have a very low view of them, but I try not to pass that view on.
If you get punched in the face by a green person, and then get punched in the face by another green person, and the same thing a third time. I bet you'll have a bad opinion and be more wary of green people.
Had a few incidents with aboriginies.
Usually involved them climbing in a window of your house and leaving with your posessions.
I have a very low view of them, but I try not to pass that view on.
If you get punched in the face by a green person, and then get punched in the face by another green person, and the same thing a third time. I bet you'll have a bad opinion and be more wary of green people.
Aug 2nd 2010, 12:28 pm
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The thing that strikes me abour Shot's story, is that the homeless guy took on a bit of individual responsibility. He didn't HAVE to help with the mugging incident, but he did. He didn't HAVE to help carry the boxes, but he did. Maybe his good fortune was as a result of his efforts, rather than sitting back & blaming others?
but what Pollyana said also is something to watch out for tooo...
Aug 2nd 2010, 12:36 pm
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Its been tried....and tried...and tried............to no avail....doesn't mean they shoudl give up but they need to try another way.
Aug 2nd 2010, 12:40 pm
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and its not JUST the "troubled" kids... it is whole, and extended familes of several generations... who are "troubled"
even if the life expectancy of aboriginals is shockingly less than white australians
Aug 2nd 2010, 1:14 pm
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The whole aboriginal people question is a difficult and tragic one. It wont be resolved anytime soon and will linger for the next couple of hundred years imo.
I know a very respectable aboriginal family, the mother is very aware of the difficulties her family is likely to encounter because of thier heritage and skin colour but she has raised 4 kids very well and one of her kids is a very respected sportsperson who travels around promoting the benefits of sport in thier community as a positive way forward. The mum is in middle of a psychology degree and works as a support worker for aboriginal kids in schools she is an absolute credit to the community.
However I reckon that there are cavernous differences between what is acceptable in the aboriginal community and the white community. Whilst not all aboriginals are glue sniffing alcoholics, there is a huge proportion that sadly are, and it is human nature to often acknowlege the bad things before the good. There are the horrifying reports of the sexual abuse that is rife in some communities (3 years olds with ghonorrea) and this is a widely accepted fact too, not just hearsay. the problem is compounded by the rest of the aboriginal communities apparent lack of action against these things that also condems them (this could be akin to the apparent silence of the moslem communities who dont appear to condemn the terrorist and extremist groups-although I am sure they are against it, but thats another thread Im sure!)
My experiences of aboriginals has been mixed. The ones I do know and work with are great people. The question australians always ask you is.. would you want an aboriginal living in your street? All the australians I know would say definately not.
I know a very respectable aboriginal family, the mother is very aware of the difficulties her family is likely to encounter because of thier heritage and skin colour but she has raised 4 kids very well and one of her kids is a very respected sportsperson who travels around promoting the benefits of sport in thier community as a positive way forward. The mum is in middle of a psychology degree and works as a support worker for aboriginal kids in schools she is an absolute credit to the community.
However I reckon that there are cavernous differences between what is acceptable in the aboriginal community and the white community. Whilst not all aboriginals are glue sniffing alcoholics, there is a huge proportion that sadly are, and it is human nature to often acknowlege the bad things before the good. There are the horrifying reports of the sexual abuse that is rife in some communities (3 years olds with ghonorrea) and this is a widely accepted fact too, not just hearsay. the problem is compounded by the rest of the aboriginal communities apparent lack of action against these things that also condems them (this could be akin to the apparent silence of the moslem communities who dont appear to condemn the terrorist and extremist groups-although I am sure they are against it, but thats another thread Im sure!)
My experiences of aboriginals has been mixed. The ones I do know and work with are great people. The question australians always ask you is.. would you want an aboriginal living in your street? All the australians I know would say definately not.
Aug 2nd 2010, 2:20 pm
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giving them poisend flour like are old settlers , did ........
Aug 2nd 2010, 3:15 pm
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[QUOTE=Officer Dibble;8746581]Theres plenty of aborigines here in Adelaide also and they can be tricky to deal with, they have a certain way about them unlike any other race Ive ever met. The best ones that I know dont drink, work and/or have lived and grown up around white people.[/QUOTE]
I may be wrong but is this not what the idea of the stolen generation was about? Breaking the cycle of poverty, drunkeness etc, by bringing up the children in white envionment. I don't think it was done with any malice but with good intensions.
We always hear about the bad side of this program but does anybody know what the numbers are for these people eg normal (in the white sense of the word) as opposed to the basket cases that a lot of us see daily?
Keel
I may be wrong but is this not what the idea of the stolen generation was about? Breaking the cycle of poverty, drunkeness etc, by bringing up the children in white envionment. I don't think it was done with any malice but with good intensions.
We always hear about the bad side of this program but does anybody know what the numbers are for these people eg normal (in the white sense of the word) as opposed to the basket cases that a lot of us see daily?
Keel