80% will not be enough
Sep 14th 2021, 3:42 am
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Re: 80% will not be enough
I guess you would hope, that the 182 pre 21 days would become a thing of the past after the initial round. And hopefully the vax companies get better at making it and dealing with variants as time draws on.
Definitely enough there to move on.
Maybe not for Queensland. I reckon they will struggle to get 70% without a decent outbreak forcing the issue,
Sep 14th 2021, 3:49 am
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Re: 80% will not be enough
Most areas no where near getting everyone double dosed plus 21 days. Probably end of the year for that.
Sep 14th 2021, 8:54 am
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Sep 14th 2021, 8:55 am
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Sep 14th 2021, 9:06 am
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Re: 80% will not be enough
Even then, getting any vaccine out to some areas will be slow going - and getting enough doses into arms in high density areas is also slow going.
For us, and states like QLD, WA, etc - it really does need to speed up so that we reach vaccine targets before delta makes it here.
Sep 14th 2021, 9:37 am
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Just about everywhere is waiting because everyone is waiting on Pfizer. That's due in part to the bad press for AZ, as seen on here by some people.
Even then, getting any vaccine out to some areas will be slow going - and getting enough doses into arms in high density areas is also slow going.
For us, and states like QLD, WA, etc - it really does need to speed up so that we reach vaccine targets before delta makes it here.
Even then, getting any vaccine out to some areas will be slow going - and getting enough doses into arms in high density areas is also slow going.
For us, and states like QLD, WA, etc - it really does need to speed up so that we reach vaccine targets before delta makes it here.
Interesting article on Moderna v Pfizer.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...evels-in-study
And thats the thing isn't it, people sitting tight thinking there is no Covid. It can hit you pretty quick and before you know it everyone is scrambling for a shot
Sep 14th 2021, 9:49 am
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Re: 80% will not be enough
Just about everywhere is waiting because everyone is waiting on Pfizer. That's due in part to the bad press for AZ, as seen on here by some people.
Even then, getting any vaccine out to some areas will be slow going - and getting enough doses into arms in high density areas is also slow going.
For us, and states like QLD, WA, etc - it really does need to speed up so that we reach vaccine targets before delta makes it here.
Even then, getting any vaccine out to some areas will be slow going - and getting enough doses into arms in high density areas is also slow going.
For us, and states like QLD, WA, etc - it really does need to speed up so that we reach vaccine targets before delta makes it here.
Sep 14th 2021, 11:22 am
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Re: 80% will not be enough
And his colleague and co-author would add Astra Zeneca to the mix
So, no he does not have financial interests in making AZ look bad in my opinion but I only did a quick google and avoided FB and Bitchute stories.
Sep 14th 2021, 11:39 am
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Judging from this paper, that would be back in 2011 or earlier - https://www.asid.net.au/documents/item/139
And his colleague and co-author would add Astra Zeneca to the mix
So, no he does not have financial interests in making AZ look bad in my opinion but I only did a quick google and avoided FB and Bitchute stories.
And his colleague and co-author would add Astra Zeneca to the mix
So, no he does not have financial interests in making AZ look bad in my opinion but I only did a quick google and avoided FB and Bitchute stories.
However I do find it strange that a great vaccine in AZ that stops death and hospitalisation has not received the greatest push from the QLD CHO
Sep 14th 2021, 12:18 pm
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Wouldn't her comments be in line with the ATAGI guidelines for QLD though? Which is exactly how NSW CHO views how AZ should be used.
Sep 14th 2021, 1:33 pm
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What Young say was "I do not want under-40s to get AstraZeneca,". That's irresponsible on not her call. It's the decision of the taker and the GP.
The advice was always based on risk. Given Covid could and will jump the border at any time, having your population vaccinated now is the right call.
The NSW CHO is of the view that any vaccine is a good vaccine. Just get vaccinated.
Sep 15th 2021, 12:32 am
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Re: 80% will not be enough
Why on earth would anyone wait for Pfizer? Its proving to be the worst vaccine out of the lot available here. Just look at Israel which is entirely vaccinated on Pfizer. I am switching it up to AstraZeneca. I want the longer power and a locally made brew that I don't have to get in the world wide queue for. If Moderna comes along maybe that, but AZ is proving the front runner if I am in a position to choose next time due to its abundance. I get a feeling we are going to need a lot of boosters.
Sep 15th 2021, 8:24 am
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Re: 80% will not be enough
I'd take the sort of 'information' posted by Beoz with a large pinch handful of salt.
https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/cli...icacy-fades-st
Both vaccines reached roughly the same efficacy rates in protecting against infection from Delta after around 4–5 months, the study authors conclude.
Those with signs of previous COVID-19 infection showed the strongest resistance after being vaccinated, the analysis showed – a finding that could spur those who have previously had the virus to get vaccinated.......
A report on the study in the medical journal Nature concludes that Pfizer is around 92% effective at stopping people from developing a high viral load 14 days after the second dose.
Nature reports the study as showing the vaccine’s efficacy declined to 90% after 30 days, 85% after 60 days and 78% after 90 days. AstraZeneca’s efficacy began at 69% a fortnight after the second dose, falling to 61% after 90 days, the journal reports.
Those with signs of previous COVID-19 infection showed the strongest resistance after being vaccinated, the analysis showed – a finding that could spur those who have previously had the virus to get vaccinated.......
A report on the study in the medical journal Nature concludes that Pfizer is around 92% effective at stopping people from developing a high viral load 14 days after the second dose.
Nature reports the study as showing the vaccine’s efficacy declined to 90% after 30 days, 85% after 60 days and 78% after 90 days. AstraZeneca’s efficacy began at 69% a fortnight after the second dose, falling to 61% after 90 days, the journal reports.
Sep 19th 2021, 10:27 am
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Re: 80% will not be enough
I'd take the sort of 'information' posted by Beoz with a large pinch handful of salt.
https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/cli...icacy-fades-st
https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/cli...icacy-fades-st
My youngest offspring is newly eligible, and will get first-shot Pfizer by default in a few weeks, which is fine for the moment. But there's still time to switch to the New New Thing, if more recent data on Moderna's efficacy vs Delta is available. I confess to having had some "pre-print fatigue" recently, so might have missed something.
Last edited by abner; Sep 19th 2021 at 10:33 am.