White Australia Policy - still present?
Sep 15th 2008, 4:49 am
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Re: White Australia Policy - still present?
wow some interesting responces.
I stand by my saying that no middle class person would starte making racist statements at a social gathering. I dont want to get into a definition about what I mean by middle class, so I will pass on that.
I really do not know what any British person thinks they are achieiving by cataloguing anecdotal incidents where some country bumkin or a hoon driving a white ute has used acted in a racist way. If you try to slur the rest of the Aussies by those examples, that is racist generalisation in its own right.
I think we have a long way to go to catch up with the mother country. We had the scuffles at Cronulla beach, but have not yet had scenes like the Bradford riots, Brixton, Birmingham etc. I lived in Barking for a couple of months last year and not was not a good example of harmonious race relations. Seemed to be distinct communites of Asian muslims, hard looking white guys covered in tatoos, big groups of Afro-Caribeans shuffling round with the baseball hats and hoods, and most of the actual work seemed to be done by eastern europeans. Just in the two months we were there, some asians were stabbed by black youths and a white school boy was kicked and stabbed to death for "looking at a black guy".
Yes, we have a long way to go before Australia catches up.
But yes there is racism here, just like in every country in the world.
I stand by my saying that no middle class person would starte making racist statements at a social gathering. I dont want to get into a definition about what I mean by middle class, so I will pass on that.
I really do not know what any British person thinks they are achieiving by cataloguing anecdotal incidents where some country bumkin or a hoon driving a white ute has used acted in a racist way. If you try to slur the rest of the Aussies by those examples, that is racist generalisation in its own right.
I think we have a long way to go to catch up with the mother country. We had the scuffles at Cronulla beach, but have not yet had scenes like the Bradford riots, Brixton, Birmingham etc. I lived in Barking for a couple of months last year and not was not a good example of harmonious race relations. Seemed to be distinct communites of Asian muslims, hard looking white guys covered in tatoos, big groups of Afro-Caribeans shuffling round with the baseball hats and hoods, and most of the actual work seemed to be done by eastern europeans. Just in the two months we were there, some asians were stabbed by black youths and a white school boy was kicked and stabbed to death for "looking at a black guy".
Yes, we have a long way to go before Australia catches up.
But yes there is racism here, just like in every country in the world.
We had race riots in Sydney.
Young white girls were raped by muslims in Sydney for being 'Aussie sluts'. Some of these events were partly to blame for the above riots.
There are definitely 'issues' between white and aboriginal Australians.
Whites have been beaten to death by aboriginals - there was a terrible case in Geraldton recently.
I have heard the terms 'Paki', 'Lebbo', 'wog' etc used by ordinary people and in the media.
I have heard Aussies making racists comments at bbqs, functions, in the pub etc. I was in California recently and heard similar comments. Same for the UK, Belgium, SA etc.
I don't think it's a major problem in most countries. Most western democracies are pretty open and tolerant and take a dim view of racism.
Sometimes we see only what we want to see.
Sep 15th 2008, 6:16 am
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Re: White Australia Policy - still present?
I think it is also good to point out that racist comments/actions are not always committed by the majority population. In the Uk we lived in an area where we were subjected to racism by people that were deemed to be the ethnic minority. I get called a pomme here in Australia and it does not offend me in the slightest, I know this is not the same as being called a name in a derogatory way but I think sometimes it is how people perceive things
Sep 15th 2008, 6:26 am
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Re: White Australia Policy - still present?
I think it is also good to point out that racist comments/actions are not always committed by the majority population. In the Uk we lived in an area where we were subjected to racism by people that were deemed to be the ethnic minority. I get called a pomme here in Australia and it does not offend me in the slightest, I know this is not the same as being called a name in a derogatory way but I think sometimes it is how people perceive things
Good points from Amazulu above.
Sep 15th 2008, 6:27 am
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Sep 15th 2008, 6:37 am
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Sep 15th 2008, 7:30 am
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Re: White Australia Policy - still present?
Disagree. There is just as much racism in Australia as there is in the UK, although I don't think it is a major problem in either country.
We had race riots in Sydney.
Young white girls were raped by muslims in Sydney for being 'Aussie sluts'. Some of these events were partly to blame for the above riots.
There are definitely 'issues' between white and aboriginal Australians.
Whites have been beaten to death by aboriginals - there was a terrible case in Geraldton recently.
I have heard the terms 'Paki', 'Lebbo', 'wog' etc used by ordinary people and in the media.
I have heard Aussies making racists comments at bbqs, functions, in the pub etc. I was in California recently and heard similar comments. Same for the UK, Belgium, SA etc.
I don't think it's a major problem in most countries. Most western democracies are pretty open and tolerant and take a dim view of racism.
Sometimes we see only what we want to see.
We had race riots in Sydney.
Young white girls were raped by muslims in Sydney for being 'Aussie sluts'. Some of these events were partly to blame for the above riots.
There are definitely 'issues' between white and aboriginal Australians.
Whites have been beaten to death by aboriginals - there was a terrible case in Geraldton recently.
I have heard the terms 'Paki', 'Lebbo', 'wog' etc used by ordinary people and in the media.
I have heard Aussies making racists comments at bbqs, functions, in the pub etc. I was in California recently and heard similar comments. Same for the UK, Belgium, SA etc.
I don't think it's a major problem in most countries. Most western democracies are pretty open and tolerant and take a dim view of racism.
Sometimes we see only what we want to see.
Another major factor, in what I see as the misreporting of what happened at Cronulla, was what happened in Melbourne at the same time. The day after the incident at Crounlla, somewhere between 50 and 80 car loads of Lebanese yoof congregated around Broadmeadows railway station... for the Melbourne leg of the battle... thing is there was no one to fight.. the locals here just let them get on with it... then tension passed, what was seen by people here in Melbourne as a Sydney problem, stayed exactly that.
The Ethnic gangs in Sydney are street gangs, Ethnic problems here in Melbourne seemed to manifest themselves only at Football matches... and that was pre Aleague.
Back on track, I think the correlation between intelligence and racism is the best way to look at this issue.
Sep 15th 2008, 8:08 am
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Sep 15th 2008, 8:28 am
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Re: White Australia Policy - still present?
I don't think it always comes down to intelligence (by the way not sure if you are questioning my intelligence). I think exposure to situations taints people's thoughts and views. Radical people come from all walks of life.
Sep 15th 2008, 8:38 am
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This is an interesting discussion because I think that once the discussion is no longer relevant that will be when there is no racism.
I do not feel that I have to like everyone but I do feel that I am supposed to like other cultures and that is simply silly. I do not like some of my family and I can be rude to them if they are rude to me but I have to watch my pqs with other cultures. I can name call my friends and my family but must be careful if they are not the same as me.
Once everyone gets over being so sensitive and realising they are not the centre of everyone's world it will be be a better place. Paranoia runs riot.
I do not feel that I have to like everyone but I do feel that I am supposed to like other cultures and that is simply silly. I do not like some of my family and I can be rude to them if they are rude to me but I have to watch my pqs with other cultures. I can name call my friends and my family but must be careful if they are not the same as me.
Once everyone gets over being so sensitive and realising they are not the centre of everyone's world it will be be a better place. Paranoia runs riot.
Sep 15th 2008, 9:25 am
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Re: White Australia Policy - still present?
This is an interesting discussion because I think that once the discussion is no longer relevant that will be when there is no racism.
I do not feel that I have to like everyone but I do feel that I am supposed to like other cultures and that is simply silly. I do not like some of my family and I can be rude to them if they are rude to me but I have to watch my pqs with other cultures. I can name call my friends and my family but must be careful if they are not the same as me.
Once everyone gets over being so sensitive and realising they are not the centre of everyone's world it will be be a better place. Paranoia runs riot.
I do not feel that I have to like everyone but I do feel that I am supposed to like other cultures and that is simply silly. I do not like some of my family and I can be rude to them if they are rude to me but I have to watch my pqs with other cultures. I can name call my friends and my family but must be careful if they are not the same as me.
Once everyone gets over being so sensitive and realising they are not the centre of everyone's world it will be be a better place. Paranoia runs riot.
I'm amazed that anyone can dismiss whole cultures - I've only known of one person in history to do that (well OK, a few but one in particular stands out)
Sep 15th 2008, 9:44 am
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Re: White Australia Policy - still present?
In all the years i have lived here i have seen more people get crap , for being a lazy Bludger , than what ever part of the planet they came from , and i have worked on oil rigs , mine rigs, fenced in remote areas, and the last 26 years been moving "immos" in and out of this country.
I dont care where you come from if you Pull your weight you are welcome here ....................mm
I dont care where you come from if you Pull your weight you are welcome here ....................mm
Sep 15th 2008, 9:52 am
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