JR230898

Why not bring it up?

Australia was 'built' on an Anglo Saxon base? They are innocuous words. Within the word 'built' resides the full meaning of ..... murder, massacres by gunfire/poison/disease, rape, dispossesion.

Consider the above and think of what the Australian aboriginals must have been thinking as they watched the 1st Fleet sail in.

Much of what has been said against the current influx of 'boat people' comes from people who seem as if they hold a position of 'entitlement'. The sort of entitlement that comes from invading another's country at the point of a gun and subordinating their culture and way of life. The 'entitled' europeans that rapidly dominated Australia prosecuted what could now be called a genocide.

Now, that we feel 'entitled', we sit back in our comfortable position and look down on the lesser beings that are now arriving by boat...to quote a 'Lying Rat' from not long ago “we will decide who comes here and under what circumstances”.

We have the luxury of....feeling 'entitled'. There are a lot more boats coming...as we did....why is it, that we feel so 'entitled'?

the troubadour

Now we disagree again i am afraid.What makes you so certain that the Afghans i have heard on the contary that in the meat works and orchids they work well ,are quiet ,do not consume alcohol and have not caused problems.
If you read back on media from the mid 70s the same tosh was being put out with regards to the Vietnamese refugees in that they are bringing in disease.smuggling in gold bars,will be burdens on the social system .
Besides that it was said a large number where gangsters the women brothel madams or hookers. This was all very pre PC days so the racist comments very evident.
And yes the Vietnamese(many ethnic Chinese)did go on into business and their kids often excelled at school but there has been some issues within that community also as some will be aware off.Nothing is without another side.
Cannot see why the Afghans cannot establish a place for themselves ofcourse many also have small business skills as well.Afghans besides being known as a proud people are also known their warmth and hospitality.

the troubadour

So sad what a graceless unidealistic world we are living in and so many set ..(the sons and daughters of the Thatcher generation one expects ..)to make sure this prevails.

the troubadour

Completely 100% correct. My feelings are is that British migrants to Australia should have made themselves aware of what sort of country they where coming to as you correctly state a multi cultural country and if they find that to hard to get around then fine go else where(though not sure if there is such a place?Iceland?)
There are definate under currents of racism with a number of posts..can only say get over it guys

the troubadour

Multiculturism works well and far from a failed dogma if any thing it is only in it's teething stages still it most certainly is the way of the future and perhaps Australia will not be a country to your tastes in the not to distant future if you think as you appear to do.

the troubadour

Do you mean some ill educated yobs going off at the beach in Sydney??Hardly a racial confrontation all though do recall a couple of guys(with less than white skins) getting laid into by bogans and a muslim girl in a scarf getting harassed could that be to what you refer?

the troubadour

That is all just so right. Australia is and is going to be so much more ,in the not too distant future a multi racial country, so be warned if you have problems with this then do not come here, if here ten you might like to consider living arrangements elsewhere.

bcworld

Very true......I sometimes wonder if some people who post on this site, principally those who have never lived in Australia, think that the White Australia policy is still in place! If they don't then I'm sure many of them wish it still was!

the troubadour

Yes i have read the same text as do have a degree of tolerance for this view perhaps thinking more of the UK and French situation and think it is perhaps not as applicable in Australia which has had since the war a high mobility rate.
This may well change with the lowering of living standards in that houses are now out of the reach of many which in turn will make it harder for refugees to move on from the cheaper suburbs they are housed on arrival.
Australia having strict immigration rules tends to get educated middle class people who often have money and language skills enabling them not to cluster to the same degree as in other countries so the melting pot approach does seem pretty evident here and quite different from those enclaves evident in UK for the most part.

the troubadour

bcworld,yes and i met on quite a few occassions Brits here in Perth whom voiced very clearly that they left home(UK) because of the colour problem,immigrants.blacks,that sort of thing most had been here then for sometime,in cases twenty years or more.
Then often the next sentence looks like this country is going the same way.
(really Little Englanders,but one was also a Scot)
English should understand they are just another ethnic group then celebrate that be proud of it(i will be celebrating St Georges Day next Thursday..Moon &Sixpence City)But also last month attended and enjoyed the national day of an Asian country. Cannot imagine living in a boring monoculture country where assimilation is the order of the day in all aspects of how we live our life.

the troubadour

The Anglo Saxon base is deminishing by the year and this can be expected
to speed up substantialy in the future.You have not seen it before because Australia is unlike any other country in it' place on the map where it's financial interests lie .I would expect the core values to remain in the rights with regards to law ,worship, freedom of speech and all the rest But the country will become far more Asia savvy and in time less Eurocentric.
As they say necessity is the mother of invention and that is why things chnge.

Vash the Stampede

Absolute nonsense. People who say this have no idea what multiculturalism really is.

Multiculturalism requires immigrants to mix and integrate with their fellow citizens, adopting a new national identity and all the cultural associations of their new country. It does not exclude them or ghettoise them.

Some migrants may choose to be isolationist and refuse to integrate, but that is their problem; it is not the fault of multiculturalism.


That is precisely what multiculturalism does! Under multiculturalism, everyone is required to adopt the same national identity and share the national culture. However, they are also permitted to retain and practice the traditions of their original culture, provided that they respect the national culture and do not break the law.

Look at the Greek and Italian communities in Melbourne: success. Look at the Chinese community in Western Australia: success. Look at the Dutch community in Tasmania: success. Look at the German community in South Australia: success (hell, the Germans were among the earliest settlers in SA). Examples could be multiplied.

Problems arise when migrants arrive from ultra conservative nations which are controlled by religious fundamentalism (ie. Lebanon & Afghanistan). These people are less likely to integrate and more likely to reject multiculturalism because their culture and social mores are often radically opposed to our own, and their religion dominates their lives to an extent that we in the west would find unacceptable.

Vash the Stampede

Exactly. Australia's policy is far stricter than the UK's, and is geared towards people who will be contributing to the nation.

If 300 unskilled labourers turn up and ask for permanent residence just because they want to live near Uncle Navjeet in Woolgoolga, they'll be politely told to sod off and come back when they've got a valid basis for entry.

silentwalker

Next time someone comes up with 'Racism in Australia' type question, this thread will give him/her some picture!

I am very sad to say that, by the way.

Vash the Stampede

That's an oversimplification, mate. The issue is far more complex than mere racism.

Australia already takes in more refugees than many other nations. If we were a truly racist state, we wouldn't be letting them in at all.