What has happened to humanity - Afghan Refugees, Perth?
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Australia was built on an Anglo Saxon base*: fact, like it or not. If that's going to be overturned then the result needs to show an improvement - and I don't see that has happened anywhere where whole areas have been taken over by nationalities with different values.
(* Don't bring up the old Aboriginal argument, please: if you accept that one then basically the whole continent should be ceded back to the hundreds of tribes.)
(* Don't bring up the old Aboriginal argument, please: if you accept that one then basically the whole continent should be ceded back to the hundreds of tribes.)
Australia was 'built' on an Anglo Saxon base? They are innocuous words. Within the word 'built' resides the full meaning of ..... murder, massacres by gunfire/poison/disease, rape, dispossesion.
Consider the above and think of what the Australian aboriginals must have been thinking as they watched the 1st Fleet sail in.
Much of what has been said against the current influx of 'boat people' comes from people who seem as if they hold a position of 'entitlement'. The sort of entitlement that comes from invading another's country at the point of a gun and subordinating their culture and way of life. The 'entitled' europeans that rapidly dominated Australia prosecuted what could now be called a genocide.
Now, that we feel 'entitled', we sit back in our comfortable position and look down on the lesser beings that are now arriving by boat...to quote a 'Lying Rat' from not long ago “we will decide who comes here and under what circumstances”.
We have the luxury of....feeling 'entitled'. There are a lot more boats coming...as we did....why is it, that we feel so 'entitled'?
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If you read back on media from the mid 70s the same tosh was being put out with regards to the Vietnamese refugees in that they are bringing in disease.smuggling in gold bars,will be burdens on the social system .
Besides that it was said a large number where gangsters the women brothel madams or hookers. This was all very pre PC days so the racist comments very evident.
And yes the Vietnamese(many ethnic Chinese)did go on into business and their kids often excelled at school but there has been some issues within that community also as some will be aware off.Nothing is without another side.
Cannot see why the Afghans cannot establish a place for themselves ofcourse many also have small business skills as well.Afghans besides being known as a proud people are also known their warmth and hospitality.
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So sad what a graceless unidealistic world we are living in and so many set ..(the sons and daughters of the Thatcher generation one expects ..)to make sure this prevails.
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I think it's more reasonable to request integration rather than assimilation. Australia is a multicultural society, after all.
However, it should be clearly understood that the laws of Australia take precedence over any cultural or religions beliefs and practices.
However, it should be clearly understood that the laws of Australia take precedence over any cultural or religions beliefs and practices.
There are definate under currents of racism with a number of posts..can only say get over it guys
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Multiculturism works well and far from a failed dogma if any thing it is only in it's teething stages still it most certainly is the way of the future and perhaps Australia will not be a country to your tastes in the not to distant future if you think as you appear to do.
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Do you mean some ill educated yobs going off at the beach in Sydney??Hardly a racial confrontation all though do recall a couple of guys(with less than white skins) getting laid into by bogans and a muslim girl in a scarf getting harassed could that be to what you refer?
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Not true. It works in Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and plenty of other countries around the world.
Forcing people to give up their cultural identity and lose themselves in a vague homogeneous mass is a retrograde philosophy which has wreaked havoc in the past and continues to damage inter-cultural relations today.
Forcing people to give up their cultural identity and lose themselves in a vague homogeneous mass is a retrograde philosophy which has wreaked havoc in the past and continues to damage inter-cultural relations today.
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Very true......I sometimes wonder if some people who post on this site, principally those who have never lived in Australia, think that the White Australia policy is still in place! If they don't then I'm sure many of them wish it still was!
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Multiculturalism is a soft form of apartheid. It encourages ethnic communities to form their own racial groupings, ghettos, etc. ... it's a ticking time bomb - especially when the communities become large.
A melting-pot approach where all the racial and cultural groups fold into one to produce a single and united national identity is preferrable by far.
A melting-pot approach where all the racial and cultural groups fold into one to produce a single and united national identity is preferrable by far.
This may well change with the lowering of living standards in that houses are now out of the reach of many which in turn will make it harder for refugees to move on from the cheaper suburbs they are housed on arrival.
Australia having strict immigration rules tends to get educated middle class people who often have money and language skills enabling them not to cluster to the same degree as in other countries so the melting pot approach does seem pretty evident here and quite different from those enclaves evident in UK for the most part.
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Then often the next sentence looks like this country is going the same way.
(really Little Englanders,but one was also a Scot)
English should understand they are just another ethnic group then celebrate that be proud of it(i will be celebrating St Georges Day next Thursday..Moon &Sixpence City)But also last month attended and enjoyed the national day of an Asian country. Cannot imagine living in a boring monoculture country where assimilation is the order of the day in all aspects of how we live our life.
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Exactly. Part of the problem is that "Multiculturalism" means different things to diffeent people.
Like most people, I have no problem mixing with individuals of any "race" (using "race" in the popular sense) but that doesn't mean I enjoy being with *ferals* of any colour.
If immigrants want to maintain their superstitions aka religious beliefs then that's OK by most people too - but where "multiculturalism" merges into intolerant ghettoes it's gone way past the line and I think the host nation is quite at liberty to think "why don't they go home and be intolerant there?"
Australia was built on an Anglo Saxon base*: fact, like it or not. If that's going to be overturned then the result needs to show an improvement - and I don't see that has happened anywhere where whole areas have been taken over by nationalities with different values.
(* Don't bring up the old Aboriginal argument, please: if you accept that one then basically the whole continent should be ceded back to the hundreds of tribes.)
Like most people, I have no problem mixing with individuals of any "race" (using "race" in the popular sense) but that doesn't mean I enjoy being with *ferals* of any colour.
If immigrants want to maintain their superstitions aka religious beliefs then that's OK by most people too - but where "multiculturalism" merges into intolerant ghettoes it's gone way past the line and I think the host nation is quite at liberty to think "why don't they go home and be intolerant there?"
Australia was built on an Anglo Saxon base*: fact, like it or not. If that's going to be overturned then the result needs to show an improvement - and I don't see that has happened anywhere where whole areas have been taken over by nationalities with different values.
(* Don't bring up the old Aboriginal argument, please: if you accept that one then basically the whole continent should be ceded back to the hundreds of tribes.)
to speed up substantialy in the future.You have not seen it before because Australia is unlike any other country in it' place on the map where it's financial interests lie .I would expect the core values to remain in the rights with regards to law ,worship, freedom of speech and all the rest But the country will become far more Asia savvy and in time less Eurocentric.
As they say necessity is the mother of invention and that is why things chnge.
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Multiculturalism requires immigrants to mix and integrate with their fellow citizens, adopting a new national identity and all the cultural associations of their new country. It does not exclude them or ghettoise them.
Some migrants may choose to be isolationist and refuse to integrate, but that is their problem; it is not the fault of multiculturalism.
A melting-pot approach where all the racial and cultural groups fold into one to produce a single and united national identity is preferrable by far.
Look at the Greek and Italian communities in Melbourne: success. Look at the Chinese community in Western Australia: success. Look at the Dutch community in Tasmania: success. Look at the German community in South Australia: success (hell, the Germans were among the earliest settlers in SA). Examples could be multiplied.
Problems arise when migrants arrive from ultra conservative nations which are controlled by religious fundamentalism (ie. Lebanon & Afghanistan). These people are less likely to integrate and more likely to reject multiculturalism because their culture and social mores are often radically opposed to our own, and their religion dominates their lives to an extent that we in the west would find unacceptable.
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Australia having strict immigration rules tends to get educated middle class people who often have money and language skills enabling them not to cluster to the same degree as in other countries so the melting pot approach does seem pretty evident here and quite different from those enclaves evident in UK for the most part.
If 300 unskilled labourers turn up and ask for permanent residence just because they want to live near Uncle Navjeet in Woolgoolga, they'll be politely told to sod off and come back when they've got a valid basis for entry.
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Next time someone comes up with 'Racism in Australia' type question, this thread will give him/her some picture!
I am very sad to say that, by the way.
I am very sad to say that, by the way.
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Australia already takes in more refugees than many other nations. If we were a truly racist state, we wouldn't be letting them in at all.
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