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Old May 12th 2021, 4:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Beoz
It's a bit dull, its a bit not wanting to appear "tone deaf".

Good to see the money and job generating infrastructure spend. God knows where they are going to find all the engineers, trades and everyone else needed to design and build this stuff with immigration nil.
It was also an attempt to repair some of the damage sustained in recent months from that rash of scandals. And while I don't subscribe to identity politics it was a shrewd budget to help ensure that Labor don't win the next federal elections - which if they did would be ruinous to Australia given the current global circumstances and climate.

Regarding the absence of immigration in a country that depends on it, they went some way towards further providing funding to help skill up locals to plug some of the gaps, but it's not nearly enough, IMO.

And it would have been good to see them take steps to cool down the property market a bit.

But all in all not too bad.
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Old May 12th 2021, 11:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
All political parties, forever, everywhere, use taxpayers money to buy votes. Shouldn't happen but it does

Plenty of money in the budget going on infrastructure and everywhere I go I see infrastructure being built - the Roe highway, corner of Kalamunda road is an, annoying, building site and 10 minutes drive from here, a huge new train station and rail tunnel to the city is being built. etc
That's largely State initiated projects. I'm talking Federal spending on latest budget going to where it is needed. Not for example lining the pockets of rich private aged care operators. If they are held more accountable this would be more in public focus. As I said Australia has long been plagued by short term thinking.
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Old May 12th 2021, 11:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Beoz
Wowsers. Come south. We won't give you a 3 day lockdown if one Covid escapes from quarrentine.
Presumably by "south" you're excluding the failed and authoritarian state? Would hate for poor Polly to jump out of the frying pan and all the rest
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Old May 12th 2021, 11:34 pm
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It was also an attempt to repair some of the damage sustained in recent months from that rash of scandals. And while I don't subscribe to identity politics it was a shrewd budget to help ensure that Labor don't win the next federal elections - which if they did would be ruinous to Australia given the current global circumstances and climate.

Regarding the absence of immigration in a country that depends on it, they went some way towards further providing funding to help skill up locals to plug some of the gaps, but it's not nearly enough, IMO.

And it would have been good to see them take steps to cool down the property market a bit.

But all in all not too bad.
What would be ruinous is not The ALP in government but developments overseas that will put limits on Australian ore exports. The present lot have had a fair attempt in Canberra of doing just that. Things like spending 17 billion on aged Care is simply reactive politics in answer to the shocking ' findings of the state of Aged Care in Australia of The Royal Commission .Hopefully the increased funding will go towards rectifying this sector and not lining the pockets of private providers.
Now is the time to update and improve on local skills and training and moving away from record immigration. The housing insanity needs to be curtailed as it is leading to a disaster on many fronts. Immigration has not ceased completely but shore based at present.
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Originally Posted by paulry
I'm looking at English speaking countries.
If not Anglo countries, but English speaking countries, to the extent that you can survive more than adequately with only English, then that opens up a considerable number of places. There's a reason increasing numbers of Australians are moving abroad in retirement. It's called a higher standard of living, due to considerably increased spending power.
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Old May 12th 2021, 11:43 pm
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Presumably by "south" you're excluding the failed and authoritarian state? Would hate for poor Polly to jump out of the frying pan and all the rest
How failed exactly? That state has done rather well repairing earlier mistakes. Unlike Buffon' Borris in UK who steamed ahead when unsafe to do so.
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Old May 13th 2021, 12:01 am
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If not Anglo countries, but English speaking countries, to the extent that you can survive more than adequately with only English, then that opens up a considerable number of places. There's a reason increasing numbers of Australians are moving abroad in retirement. It's called a higher standard of living, due to considerably increased spending power.
Sure, the $ will go further, but its arguable whether they really provide a higher standard of living. For example, few if any provide free (or very low cost) healthcare that is of the standard we enjoy in Australia. Same with social services. Same with quality and dependability of infrastructure and general services.
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How failed exactly? That state has done rather well repairing earlier mistakes. Unlike Buffon' Borris in UK who steamed ahead when unsafe to do so.
True I suppose - at least insofar as the UK is concerned. Blimey, I'm so glad to not be living there.
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Sure, the $ will go further, but its arguable whether they really provide a higher standard of living. For example, few if any provide free (or very low cost) healthcare that is of the standard we enjoy in Australia. Same with social services. Same with quality and dependability of infrastructure and general services.
Definitely a very high standard can be achieved in certain countries ,at very reasonable cost. Australian health services are not free. Well perhaps if want to take place in a ever lengthening wait. Don't you get ramping in the part of Australia you live? Outcomes far from guaranteed as well. Private we have found pretty decent , but obviously there is a cost. (not very low cost either) Outside of the all important medical care, not sure to what social services you refer. Austerity measures have impacted in Australia over time , just as they have in all other Anglo countries, among others. We are not Finland, that's for sure. Infrastructure in Australia is in many ways a game of catchup.
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Old May 13th 2021, 12:37 am
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True I suppose - at least insofar as the UK is concerned. Blimey, I'm so glad to not be living there.
Indeed. Like USA and Brazil. Bad policy clearly on display. Attempting to appease certain elements ended up costing far, far more. in the longer term. Which is why I don't mark down too severely the Victorian government.
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
Fiscal conservatism in the west is now over. Parties that call themselves conservative are so in name only - Republicans in the US (especially under Donald Trump), Conservative Party in the UK, Liberal Party here. All are spending like drunken sailors but it's our children, and their children, who will have to pay it back. Off the back of all of this spending, there will have to be tax increases in the future because governments are loathe to cut their size. We all suffer in the end. If a conservative is not fiscally conservative, they are essentially socialist

On a personal level, my wife gets a tax cut and I'm happy about 10% super. The downsizing into super option is something I'm interested in but we have to be careful in that we don't put more into super than we're allowed, especially as we're going to be self-funded retirees. The continuing business write offs are also a good thing for me
It's not a question of government being loathe to cut their size. More a matter of being tried repeatedly by fiscally/politically conservative governments around the world since the eighties and found wanting. I expect you did not complain too loud when bank losses were socialized. A government needs to be more than a manager as has been shown time and time again.
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That's largely State initiated projects. I'm talking Federal spending on latest budget going to where it is needed. Not for example lining the pockets of rich private aged care operators. If they are held more accountable this would be more in public focus. As I said Australia has long been plagued by short term thinking.
All state infrastructure projects have heavy federal funding - but you know that - with the states implementing them. This is the way it should be done to avoid more of the duplication that hurts our governments and leads to too many civil servants being employed
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Presumably by "south" you're excluding the failed and authoritarian state? Would hate for poor Polly to jump out of the frying pan and all the rest
Not sure about that. With Dan out of action Victoria has been very quiet of late. Just like his counterparts in QLD and WA, Dan was always eager to front the camera's with his only weapon - rule with an iron fist.
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And while I don't subscribe to identity politics it was a shrewd budget to help ensure that Labor don't win the next federal elections - .
That makes it a good budget. I see zero coming from the opposition. I have met Albo a few times. Nice bloke to have a beer with. Not sure that constitutes a good PM.
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That's makes a neutral budget yet to be determined good or bad. It was a necessary budget with Aged Care in complete chaos. Health floundering . The prove will be in the pudding. It is not a matter of thrown money at a problem. It is a matter where that money is directed. Will it actually achieve the needed results?
Nothing to deal with the outrageous housing situation. Nothing to tackle the drug problem and the many 'issues' that entails. I don't see it as shrewd at all. Important issues facing this nation ahead. It was wise to mark down the price of iron ore though as that will very likely take a tumble.
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