The stupidity of drivers
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The only thing I noticed, is that I often had to pull out onto a dual carriageway, and drivers wouldn't move over to the outside lane to let me out, even if it was empty. So I just started pulling out in front of them, and letting them decide whether they should move over a lane, or slam on their brakes.
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To be honest, I've not driven much in Australia, only for a week or so in Adelaide, but I didn't really think they were bad drivers. The only thing I noticed, is that I often had to pull out onto a dual carriageway, and drivers wouldn't move over to the outside lane to let me out, even if it was empty. So I just started pulling out in front of them, and letting them decide whether they should move over a lane, or slam on their brakes.
Apparently it's expected that some motorists pull out and go straight into the fast lane...if memory serves...and that the people in the slow lane keep going..
if this is true - it only goes to show that not all assumptions are correct and local knowledge and custom may differ.
It's a bit like on the continent of Europe; noone flashes their lights to say 'Go on' - like people do in the UK. Like the UK Highway code actually prescribes, it means 'Don't even think about it - I'm here'. Subtle differences, but big ramifications..
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deliberately driving down one way streets because it is "quicker")
Are you not allowed to drive down one way streets in Oz?
Are you not allowed to drive down one way streets in Oz?
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It sounds as though I'll fit straight in on the roads over there then. Apart from the speeding thing, I'll have to watch that, as I have an awful habit of having a lead foot, especially on motorways.
To be honest, I've not driven much in Australia, only for a week or so in Adelaide, but I didn't really think they were bad drivers. The only thing I noticed, is that I often had to pull out onto a dual carriageway, and drivers wouldn't move over to the outside lane to let me out, even if it was empty. So I just started pulling out in front of them, and letting them decide whether they should move over a lane, or slam on their brakes.
...And no, my name isn't Schumacher before anyone asks...
To be honest, I've not driven much in Australia, only for a week or so in Adelaide, but I didn't really think they were bad drivers. The only thing I noticed, is that I often had to pull out onto a dual carriageway, and drivers wouldn't move over to the outside lane to let me out, even if it was empty. So I just started pulling out in front of them, and letting them decide whether they should move over a lane, or slam on their brakes.
...And no, my name isn't Schumacher before anyone asks...


That is exactly the reason. As you can turn onto the dual carriageway into either lane (because you might be crossing over or turning right soon) the person already on the road does not know what you want to do. The safest and most courteous thing they can do is to carry on in the lane they are in. You're making a prick of yourself if you pull out to force them to change lanes. Also someone changing lanes just before a junction is making a prick of themselves as well, as they could be screwing up the intentions of the driver pulling out. If you don't want to wait then you should pull out into the right lane, let them pass on the left and then move back to the left.
You may find (and I certainly do) that on Freeways, more people do move over as the person joining the road should only join in the left lane.
Last edited by MartinLuther; Aug 2nd 2010 at 10:47 am.
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That is exactly the reason. As you can turn onto the dual carriageway into either lane (because you might be crossing over or turning right soon) the person already on the road does not know what you want to do. The safest and most courteous thing they can do is to carry on in the lane they are in. You're making a prick of yourself if you pull out to force them to change lanes. Also someone changing lanes just before a junction is making a prick of themselves as well, as they could be screwing up the intentions of the driver pulling out. If you don't want to wait then you should pull out into the right lane, let them pass on the left and then move back to the left.
You may find (and I certainly do) that on Freeways, more people do move over as the person joining the road should only join in the left lane.

That is exactly the reason. As you can turn onto the dual carriageway into either lane (because you might be crossing over or turning right soon) the person already on the road does not know what you want to do. The safest and most courteous thing they can do is to carry on in the lane they are in. You're making a prick of yourself if you pull out to force them to change lanes. Also someone changing lanes just before a junction is making a prick of themselves as well, as they could be screwing up the intentions of the driver pulling out. If you don't want to wait then you should pull out into the right lane, let them pass on the left and then move back to the left.
You may find (and I certainly do) that on Freeways, more people do move over as the person joining the road should only join in the left lane.
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The locals here are on the same page. Maybe some of the newbies aren't. Which is why I've always said they should have kept the written test as part of the licence swap. There are quite a few things that could be dangerous if people drive to UK rules. How many people know that you have to give way to pedestrians on a slip road? How many people know that you're supposed to give way to a pedestrian crossing the main road when you are turning onto the main road, etc..?
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That is exactly the reason. As you can turn onto the dual carriageway into either lane (because you might be crossing over or turning right soon) the person already on the road does not know what you want to do. The safest and most courteous thing they can do is to carry on in the lane they are in. You're making a prick of yourself if you pull out to force them to change lanes. Also someone changing lanes just before a junction is making a prick of themselves as well, as they could be screwing up the intentions of the driver pulling out. If you don't want to wait then you should pull out into the right lane, let them pass on the left and then move back to the left.
You may find (and I certainly do) that on Freeways, more people do move over as the person joining the road should only join in the left lane.

That is exactly the reason. As you can turn onto the dual carriageway into either lane (because you might be crossing over or turning right soon) the person already on the road does not know what you want to do. The safest and most courteous thing they can do is to carry on in the lane they are in. You're making a prick of yourself if you pull out to force them to change lanes. Also someone changing lanes just before a junction is making a prick of themselves as well, as they could be screwing up the intentions of the driver pulling out. If you don't want to wait then you should pull out into the right lane, let them pass on the left and then move back to the left.
You may find (and I certainly do) that on Freeways, more people do move over as the person joining the road should only join in the left lane.
I had to use the hard shoulder to get past both of them, and at about 160kph it was a bit nerve racking for me....
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#114
you naughty boy! But yeah I've experienced that, but its those who don't let you merge that are the problem. I believe you have right of way if you are merging onto a freeway and you are ahead of the car already on the freeway, it doesn't mean they should speed up so that you don't get in ahead of them! I've come up a slip lane to join traffic that is going at 100km/hr only to find someone has stopped at the end of the sliproad because either they couldnt merge or lost their nerve! It was very hairy trying to merge in that situation! And a GIVE WAY sign means you stop and give way! Perhaps some people can't read signs despite living in the 'smart state'. I had to do the theory test when I came to Oz and while I don't believe I am a perfect driver I do try to abide by the road rules and not cause accidents. But I see sheer stupidity in people driving everyday and so I am not surprised there are so many accidents!Went to New Zealand earlier this year and noticed a difference with the driving there.................much more civilised, and courteous driving!
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http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/n...8104/s149.html
however
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/n...104/s148a.html
Therefore,
no white line = car in front wins
broken white line = car already in lane, wins
Disagreement with that = collision or middle finger.
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It depends on the white lines, no white lines or broken white line.... but I need to read up to see which is which, no wonder there are problems, or is it just me with my memory.... 
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/n...8104/s149.html
however
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/n...104/s148a.html
Therefore,
no white line = car in front wins
broken white line = car already in lane, wins
Disagreement with that = collision or middle finger.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/n...8104/s149.html
however
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/n...104/s148a.html
Therefore,
no white line = car in front wins
broken white line = car already in lane, wins
Disagreement with that = collision or middle finger.
#117
>>You may find (and I certainly do) that on Freeways, more people do move over as the person joining the road should only join in the left lane.<<
Meelie's right - one of the ridiculous rules is that it's up to the person already on the freeway to give way to those joining.
It means that a joining driver can legally do whatever he wants as regards speed or entry position (no coarse comments, please) and those on the motorway must brake, change lanes or whatever.
Believe me, I've seen some bizarre ways of using the accelerate lane including accelerating to light velocity then jamming on the brakes, screwing the car between a couple of cars on the inside lane (tailgating) and shooting straight through to the fast lane. It can be like watching a pachinko game....
Meelie's right - one of the ridiculous rules is that it's up to the person already on the freeway to give way to those joining.
It means that a joining driver can legally do whatever he wants as regards speed or entry position (no coarse comments, please) and those on the motorway must brake, change lanes or whatever.
Believe me, I've seen some bizarre ways of using the accelerate lane including accelerating to light velocity then jamming on the brakes, screwing the car between a couple of cars on the inside lane (tailgating) and shooting straight through to the fast lane. It can be like watching a pachinko game....
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Regardless of the rules, I agree that it is rude to try and prevent people merging by speeding up or closing the gap.
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>>You may find (and I certainly do) that on Freeways, more people do move over as the person joining the road should only join in the left lane.<<
Meelie's right - one of the ridiculous rules is that it's up to the person already on the freeway to give way to those joining.
It means that a joining driver can legally do whatever he wants as regards speed or entry position (no coarse comments, please) and those on the motorway must brake, change lanes or whatever.
.....
Meelie's right - one of the ridiculous rules is that it's up to the person already on the freeway to give way to those joining.
It means that a joining driver can legally do whatever he wants as regards speed or entry position (no coarse comments, please) and those on the motorway must brake, change lanes or whatever.
.....
Did you do the theory test when you came?
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For Victoria she's not right. On freeways down here the person on the main carriageway has priority as the slip lanes are separated from the main carriageway with a dotted line. I suspect it's no different in NSW but somehow some peeps have got the wrong end of the stick.
Did you do the theory test when you came?
Did you do the theory test when you came?



