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Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by LouiseR
(Post 8815464)
Same type of "Bullshit Blog Article" you quoted below about Viszla's. Can't be one rule for you and one Iam...
And if you read further on in that article you quoted you'd see that the owner blamed the Viszlas behaviour on their handling of the dog. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII
(Post 8815468)
Actually I quoted an Viszla owners forum, not a blog or newspaper article.
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Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by LouiseR
(Post 8815472)
But the fact remains it's one persons word - same as a blog, there's no evidence, there's no fact, could be a crazy person making stuff up, could be you for all anyone knows! :D
Then again they could both be works of fiction. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII
(Post 8815449)
1) http://www.wlbt.com/global/story.asp?s=11977371
Dogs were kept in the woods. Says a lot about the owner. No direct evidence that the dogs were actually pitbulls; it's anecdotal and hearsay. 2) http://www.momlogic.com/2009/04/baby...led_by_pit.php Bullshit blog article with no evidence whatsoever. For all we know it could be fiction. 3) http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local...-99037214.html Again no evidence that they were actually pitbulls. 4) http://www.wlbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=11989209 Again no evidence that the dog is a pitbull and the article contradicts itself leaving one to wonder about the accuracy of reporting. 5) http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6939442.ece "pitbull terrier-type", "illegal type of dog" What the F does that mean? Is it a Staffy? A Mastiff? Who knows and neither does the article. The owner was a criminal, illegally breeding dogs and "pitbull" is alleged by the reporter. 6) http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=59271 Another bullshit article. Could be fiction for all we know. Where's the EVIDENCE! Do you believe everything you read on the internet and in the papers? I thought you were a bit smarter than that. The fact that people are dying as a result of attacks by pitbulls (or anything else you choose to call them) seems to be an irrelevance to you. Just so long as you can keep your dog. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 8815489)
Your only acceptable piece of evidence seems to be to have the dog DNA tested. I'm guessing that if it only came out as 95% pitbull then that in your view would be enough to excuse it. That's idiotic.
The fact that people are dying as a result of attacks by pitbulls (or anything else you choose to call them) seems to be an irrelevance to you. Just so long as you can keep your dog. My dog is a Staffordshire Bull Terrier, not a Pitbull. In fact there is no actual breed of dog recognised by the Kennel Councils called a Pitbull. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Dancing on the head of a pin.
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Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 8815583)
Dancing on the head of a pin.
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Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII
(Post 8815382)
"(about Pitbulls) it's not the breed, it's the human behind the dog. Aggression is a state of mind, not a breed thing." - Cesar Milan - The Dog Whisperer
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Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 8815197)
Once again the point goes whooshing over your head.
You can be as responsible as you like, it might not prevent your pitbull attacking someone, and that when it does the results are likely to be worse than your average mutt. That's why American Pitbulls were banned in the first place.... but heigh ho, I'm sure you have another view. However, keeping the dog that I do own on a leash and keeping my garden secure, means that the only people ever likely to be on the receiving end of my dog turning rabid are within my household and maybe any burglars who wish to chance their arm. As my dog is well socialized with people and other animals and has a very gentle nature, I do not have any undue worry that we are likely to come under attack any time soon, but regardless, I can guarantee you and your family are safe from my dog due to the aforementioned safeguards. Now, can I assume all of your lifestyle choices ie choose of vehicle etc etc, do not increase other peoples risk unnecessarily? |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by geordiebloke
(Post 8816502)
Like I've already said, if you actually read what people post, I don't own a pitbull or staffy, never have done and don't intend to.
However, keeping the dog that I do own on a leash and keeping my garden secure, means that the only people ever likely to be on the receiving end of my dog turning rabid are within my household and maybe any burglars who wish to chance their arm. As my dog is well socialized with people and other animals and has a very gentle nature, I do not have any undue worry that we are likely to come under attack any time soon, but regardless, I can guarantee you and your family are safe from my dog due to the aforementioned safeguards. Now, can I assume all of your lifestyle choices ie choose of vehicle etc etc, do not increase other peoples risk unnecessarily? |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by koalakim
(Post 8814759)
Dogs and dog owning seems a lot more complicated than having cats! I've been reading this thread with interest because we have a dog from the SPCA as a pup who clearly has some staffie in her and I must admit I was initially anxious about that. We researched staffies before we took her on and decided they seem fine, albeit smart and needing firm training. She's had the puppy classes and we've done a fair job on training her and she is a real darling of a dog, particularly with the children :wub: Having said that I have noticed with her that although she never starts a ruck with another dog and always approaches other dogs in (boisterous) good humour, if they start on her she doesn't run off with her tail wrapped round her arse like my old dog did, she stands her ground. This has only happened once or twice but it has been enough to make me decide that I only exercise her on-leash and off-leash only when there are no other dogs around. My husband has no such issue with her because he only has to call her and no matter what she is doing she returns to him. She has also never been defensive toward another dog in just his presence. From this I conclude that I am not as effective a dog owner as he is, but also that she is not the sort of dog that should be in the hands of the feckless or those with ill-intent. It makes me sad to think of where she could have ended up- her desire to please is enormous, she is utterly fearless and would be very easy to train to do badness. My first dog, a whippet cross, was completely different, so it's not just me. As a dog owner I think ALL dogs should be on-leash unless they're in dog exercise areas and if they're not so great with other dogs they should be permanently on-leash. I also think, and I know this is controversial, that there shouldn't be second chances for aggressive dogs and there should be heavier punishments for owners of dogs who are aggressive and are not kept under tight control. I don't think we should ban a breed, but only because I think it would be pointless and the measures I've mentioned would be more effective. We have a ridiculous number of dog attacks here in NZ. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by bourbon-biscuit
(Post 8817103)
As a dog owner I think ALL dogs should be on-leash unless they're in dog exercise areas and if they're not so great with other dogs they should be permanently on-leash. I also think, and I know this is controversial, that there shouldn't be second chances for aggressive dogs and there should be heavier punishments for owners of dogs who are aggressive and are not kept under tight control. I don't think we should ban a breed, but only because I think it would be pointless and the measures I've mentioned would be more effective. We have a ridiculous number of dog attacks here in NZ.
Personally I think some breeds should be banned. Other people would disagree. How would you feel about these becoming a regular sight down the High Street? |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 8817146)
Some of that is impractical if you want to maintain the health of your dog,
All dogs irrespective of breed should be on the lead, period. The only exception to this would be in an area specifically for dog socialisation. Don't be lazy, get off your arse and take your Vizsla for a 5k run. There's no reason to take it off the lead. You might get fit too. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by bourbon-biscuit
(Post 8817103)
My husband has no such issue with her because he only has to call her and no matter what she is doing she returns to him. She has also never been defensive toward another dog in just his presence. From this I conclude that I am not as effective a dog owner as he is,
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Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
He looks a real softie!
Thought it was a bit cruel putting the collar around his neck and not a harness, he could have choked and he would have pulled it better from the chest! Well done to Bourbon-Biscuit for recognising her dogs personality and taking action. I think some of the problems with the dogs in discussion is that owners don't always consider that other dog owners or the public may be afraid of their dogs. With todays "lets sue for anything" culture if I had a dog that showed any aggression or scared people then I'd keep it on the lead at all times as I wouldn't want to end up in court if it did anything! |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by koalakim
(Post 8817327)
He looks a real softie!
Thought it was a bit cruel putting the collar around his neck and not a harness, he could have choked and he would have pulled it better from the chest! |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 8817371)
It can run at 30mph and weigh in at 90Kg. Looks less of a softie in this one.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HO9LEPcMC...layer_embedded |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII
(Post 8817419)
What has this dog got to do with Staffordshire Bull Terriers?
I assume you would be happy with those trotting round the neighbourhood on a leash as well? With a responsible owner of course. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 8817146)
Some of that is impractical if you want to maintain the health of your dog, but I absolutely see where you are coming from.
Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII
(Post 8817309)
She sees your husband as the leader of the pack.
I must make a concerted effort; my failing! |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Haha, what did he get on his hand that needed washing off?! Eww!!!
Did you think those dogs were looking vicious toward each other? |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by bourbon-biscuit
(Post 8817437)
Did you think those dogs were looking vicious toward each other?
I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of it. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 8817146)
Some of that is impractical if you want to maintain the health of your dog, but I absolutely see where you are coming from.
Personally I think some breeds should be banned. Other people would disagree. How would you feel about these becoming a regular sight down the High Street? http://youtube.com/watch?v=Otqe2g0MROQ I mentioned a similar breed (caucasian ovcharka) in an earlier post. like the Kangal this breed can grow to enormous proportions and I mentioned them simply to contrast the relevant smaller size, therefore lesser potential risk posed by "pit bull" type dogs. I would have reservations of someone taking a dog like this out in public, simply because of the strength required to control it if things go wrong. That said, there will be people who are experienced and responsible enough to handle them. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 8817468)
Who know's for sure. The Kangal certainly looked like it meant business.
I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of it. No, I wouldn't want to meet that dog in the high street or anywhere else, ditto any other big or muscley dog, but then I was bitten by a dog when young and am not that confident with unknown dogs. I am also wary of big or muscley looking men as I know only too well the violence men can inflict, but I wouldn't want men on the whole banned either :p I really think we need to be much more proactive about banning dog owners as that would solve the problem better than breed banning and that's not a defence of any particular breed, it's a practical solution to a problem that worries me. If I thought breed banning would eradicate the problem I'd be in favour of it, but I don't think it would. In a recent child-mauling case here in NZ where a child approached a chained dog in a garage that then near bit his face off, the owner had already been reprimanded by the council because the dog had been a nuisance, presenting as aggressive and 'rushing children' and not been under proper control. In my opinion that dog should have been removed for assessment and possibly, depending on the assessment outcome, destroyed (I know that's sad, poor creature) and the owner banned for life. As for people who let their dogs roam around the streets- grrrrr! I don't care if it's the sweetest mutt in the world I don't want it crapping in my garden or irritating my cat and if I don't know it, I don't trust it around my kids. The suburb we lived in in Oz was terrible for this, thank goodness we had a proper fence all around. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 8817422)
Nothing at all. It's just an extreme example of a potentially dangerous dog.
I assume you would be happy with those trotting round the neighbourhood on a leash as well? With a responsible owner of course. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by bourbon-biscuit
(Post 8817545)
In a recent child-mauling case here in NZ where a child approached a chained dog in a garage that then near bit his face off
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Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII
(Post 8817564)
The dog was chained in a garage. What was a kid doing going in there? That's asking for trouble.
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Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII
(Post 8817564)
The dog was chained in a garage. What was a kid doing going in there? That's asking for trouble.
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Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by asprilla
(Post 8817614)
There goes your warped sense of logic again.
There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for a small child to be in a strangers garage. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by geordiebloke
(Post 8817693)
small kids are naturally inquisitive, if you have a large dog, you have to make sure that kids can't just wander in off the street, regardless if they should be there or not.
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Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII
(Post 8817735)
If the child is a small child then where are the parents? A small child should not be wandering about on it's own.
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Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
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Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII
(Post 8817735)
If the child is a small child then where are the parents? A small child should not be wandering about on it's own.
Either way he wasn't "small" and he had his face ripped apart by a Pitbull that was in the friends garage. This is the dog and it's owner shortly after the attack... |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by LouiseR
(Post 8817784)
The boy was 8 and was at a family friends house with his mum and dad.
Either way he wasn't "small" and he had his face ripped apart by a Pitbull that was in the friends garage. This is the dog and it's owner shortly after the attack... The photo lends weight to the opinion, that it's usually the owner that is the problem, not the dog. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by geordiebloke
(Post 8817798)
The photo lends weight to the opinion, that it's usually the owner that is the problem, not the dog.
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Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by LouiseR
(Post 8817784)
The boy was 8 and was at a family friends house with his mum and dad.
Either way he wasn't "small" and he had his face ripped apart by a Pitbull that was in the friends garage. This is the dog and it's owner shortly after the attack... |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII
(Post 8817823)
A perfect example of the kind of person who shouldn't own a pitbull or similar breed. The owner should be charged with grievous bodily harm and go to nick.
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Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by LouiseR
(Post 8817803)
I agree. He looks like a prick. But sadly quite a lot of pricks want pitbulls and the result can be like on this case a child ends up with half their face hanging off.
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Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Absolutely NOT the kids fault! The dog owner had been told to make sure the dog was secured, which includes alerting children to not going near it and making sure they can't get at it, imo. Also, poor lad was visiting with family, not breaking and entering!
That owner should never be allowed another dog again ... but he will get another. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
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Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 8817933)
He looks like the identikit photo of everyone I've ever seen with a pitbull.
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Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII
(Post 8817982)
Doesn't resemble this Pitbull owner...
I am joking but just because the guy looks nice and friendly doesn't mean he's not a lunatic. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII
(Post 8817548)
No different to a Great Dane, St. Bernard or Newfoundland.
you've obviously never had much contact with newfies... |
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