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Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by LouiseR
(Post 8818000)
Oh I don't know... Look at the head lock he's got that poor doggy in!! :D
I am joking but just because the guy looks nice and friendly doesn't mean he's not a lunatic. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by LouiseR
(Post 8818000)
Oh I don't know... Look at the head lock he's got that poor doggy in!! :D
I am joking but just because the guy looks nice and friendly doesn't mean he's not a lunatic. For every one of him, there are an uncountable number of knobs, who choose the pitbull as their 'weapon of choice' |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by >Trigger<
(Post 8818012)
I was marginally in your corner but to compare a bull terrier to any of these dogs is madness..
you've obviously never had much contact with newfies... Newfoundlands are great dogs. Slobber everywhere though. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII
(Post 8818013)
But Uranus said they all look the same.
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Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 8818018)
For every one of him, there are an uncountable number of knobs, who choose the pitbull as their 'weapon of choice'
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Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 8818021)
No I didn't. I said he looks like everyone I've ever seen who owned a pitbull.
And how many people have you seen with a Pitbull? (and not in photos) |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII
(Post 8818025)
And how many people have you seen with a Pitbull? (and not in photos)
Every single one of the dogs was used to intimidate... not a one spent much time herding cattle. :rolleyes: I suppose I can now expect the 'fault of the owners' classical Benoni defense response and I will respond with 'the dogs were not chosen for their ability to smile sweetly for the camera'... and we will go round and round and round and round......... |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 8818034)
I lived on an East Manchester council estate for many years... so too sodding many of them. Including a couple owned by guys I knew as 'mates'.
Every single one of the dogs was used to intimidate... not a one spent much time herding cattle. :rolleyes: I suppose I can now expect the 'fault of the owners' classical Benoni defense response and I will respond with 'the dogs were not chosen for their ability to smile sweetly for the camera'... and we will go round and round and round and round......... Not all Pitbull owners live on a council estate you know. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII
(Post 8818043)
One wonders as to the type of crowd you have been hanging with. Guilty by association.
Not all Pitbull owners live on a council estate you know. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 8818111)
Yes, I'm sure the American Pitbull is a frequent guest at the Henley Regatta and Ladies Day.
You know, a council estate in East Manchester which would include such civilised locales as Moss Side, is not accurate reflection of the rest of the world or other pitbull owners around the world. It's one thing to generalise but your generalisation defies belief. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII
(Post 8817823)
A perfect example of the kind of person who shouldn't own a pitbull or similar breed. The owner should be charged with grievous bodily harm and go to nick.
We can either : a) continue to allow people to own these kind of dogs, and come down harshly on the owners when their irresponsible action causes injury or death. Benefit : People who enjoy owning these breeds, continue to get to own them, and possibly, some irresponsible owners will start to act more responsibly with the threat of serious punishment. Cost : Unfortunately, every now and then people will still be attacked and seriously injured by these breeds. b) make it illegal to own certain breeds of dogs. benefit: There will be a reduction in the number of these breeds of dogs found in people's homes. It won't reduce to zero, but it will be a significant reduction. Less numbers = less chance of an attack on a human. cost : There will be a certain amount of angst amongst people who wish to own these type of dogs, they will oppose the law change. It seems to me that we should be thinking about banning ownership of certain types of dogs. Yes it would hurt the feelings of people like deancm, but it would also reduce the possibility of a serious attack occurring. Hurting the feelings of a few dog owners is a small price to pay, I reckon. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by asprilla
(Post 8818158)
Yes, I agree. But the problem is that we'll still get to read about young kids getting seriously injured by pitbulls every now and then....even if someone is thrown in jail each year for acting irresponsibly.
We can either : a) continue to allow people to own these kind of dogs, and come down harshly on the owners when their irresponsible action causes injury or death. Benefit : People who enjoy owning these breeds, continue to get to own them, and possibly, some irresponsible owners will start to act more responsibly with the threat of serious punishment. Cost : Unfortunately, every now and then people will still be attacked and seriously injured by these breeds. b) make it illegal to own certain breeds of dogs. benefit: There will be a reduction in the number of these breeds of dogs found in people's homes. It won't reduce to zero, but it will be a significant reduction. Less numbers = less chance of an attack on a human. cost : There will be a certain amount of angst amongst people who wish to own these type of dogs, they will oppose the law change. It seems to me that we should be thinking about banning ownership of certain types of dogs. Yes it would hurt the feelings of people like deancm, but it would also reduce the possibility of a serious attack occurring. Hurting the feelings of a few dog owners is a small price to pay, I reckon. Guns are illegal but it still doesn't stop people getting shot. All making pitbulls illegal will do is drive it underground where the dogs really will be in the wrong hands and definitely trained to fight, instead of having this trait bred out of them. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII
(Post 8818194)
...where the dogs really will be in the wrong hands and definitely trained to fight, instead of having this trait bred out of them.
Best part of the last 30 years, at the very least, has been spent breeding it in to them. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 8818298)
Bred out of them !!
Best part of the last 30 years, at the very least, has been spent breeding it in to them. It's the same with Bull Terriers and Staffies. They were orignally bred for dog fighting but have had the dog agression bred out of them. They are not the same dogs they were 100 years ago. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by asprilla
(Post 8818158)
Yes, I agree. But the problem is that we'll still get to read about young kids getting seriously injured by pitbulls every now and then....even if someone is thrown in jail each year for acting irresponsibly.
We can either : a) continue to allow people to own these kind of dogs, and come down harshly on the owners when their irresponsible action causes injury or death. Benefit : People who enjoy owning these breeds, continue to get to own them, and possibly, some irresponsible owners will start to act more responsibly with the threat of serious punishment. Cost : Unfortunately, every now and then people will still be attacked and seriously injured by these breeds. b) make it illegal to own certain breeds of dogs. benefit: There will be a reduction in the number of these breeds of dogs found in people's homes. It won't reduce to zero, but it will be a significant reduction. Less numbers = less chance of an attack on a human. cost : There will be a certain amount of angst amongst people who wish to own these type of dogs, they will oppose the law change. It seems to me that we should be thinking about banning ownership of certain types of dogs. Yes it would hurt the feelings of people like deancm, but it would also reduce the possibility of a serious attack occurring. Hurting the feelings of a few dog owners is a small price to pay, I reckon. The only legislation that would reduce the already very small number of serious attacks by dogs on humans, would involve banning all but the smallest breeds from domestic ownership. That, or a tougher stance against irresponsible owners is the only thing that will have the desired effect, not banning a particular breed. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by geordiebloke
(Post 8820714)
Breed specific legislation has been proven not to work. Too many variables, cross breeding, breed identification etc etc.
The only legislation that would reduce the already very small number of serious attacks by dogs on humans, would involve banning all but the smallest breeds from domestic ownership. That, or a tougher stance against irresponsible owners is the only thing that will have the desired effect, not banning a particular breed. I do think maybe you should have to be checked out to be a breeder and some of the money made on selling the puppies went to then check on anyone wanting to buy a puppy as in a lot of cases you can tell if they really love dogs and are intelligent enough to own one.But I guess that is not practical. I agree you should be tougher on irresponsible owners but then that would be after an attack which is to late for the poor child involved.Sue. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by petensue
(Post 8820847)
To be honest sometimes I think it would be best to stop breeding some breeds of dogs and this is coming from someone who years ago owned a very well behaved rottie.I love the breed but not what a few thugs or idiots have done to their reputation and I get so angry at how in most cases of attacks the owners did not want a pet just guard dog or to look hard.
I do think maybe you should have to be checked out to be a breeder and some of the money made on selling the puppies went to then check on anyone wanting to buy a puppy as in a lot of cases you can tell if they really love dogs and are intelligent enough to own one.But I guess that is not practical. I agree you should be tougher on irresponsible owners but then that would be after an attack which is to late for the poor child involved.Sue. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Pit Bull and Staffie mauled the whole family in Melbourne :frown:
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/th...214-1at4h.html Does it calls for harsher laws like $100k fine or jail for such offenders (owners) before more innocents lay their life to these ghastly beasts |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by mpgrewal
(Post 9174961)
Pit Bull and Staffie mauled the whole family in Melbourne :frown:
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/th...214-1at4h.html Does it calls for harsher laws like $100k fine or jail for such offenders (owners) before more innocents lay their life to these ghastly beasts It makes me sad that some owners are irresponsible and that as a result some people are terrified of man's best friend. Owning a dog can bring such joy and of course they help us in so many aspects of life: search & rescue, pets as therapy, cancer & biodetection dogs, drug sniffing, medical alert etc. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by mpgrewal
(Post 9174961)
Pit Bull and Staffie mauled the whole family in Melbourne :frown:
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/th...214-1at4h.html Does it calls for harsher laws like $100k fine or jail for such offenders (owners) before more innocents lay their life to these ghastly beasts |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by Kapri
(Post 9176231)
I have just read that story whilst my staffie is curled up on the sofa beside me and looking at me from adoring eyes.
It makes me sad that some owners are irresponsible and that as a result some people are terrified of man's best friend. Owning a dog can bring such joy and of course they help us in so many aspects of life: search & rescue, pets as therapy, cancer & biodetection dogs, drug sniffing, medical alert etc. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 9176443)
Your dogs a predator
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Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
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Here's a pic of my predator.
Be afraid...be very afraid :rofl: |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
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Originally Posted by Kapri
(Post 9176482)
Here's a pic of my predator.
Be afraid...be very afraid :rofl: Thing is though, I bet even the people who's dog went on to kill somebody could produce pictures like these. Certain breeds are MUCH more likely to attack, and sustain that attack, than other breeds, regardless of how 'good' their owners are. They need to be eliminated. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Banning breeds of dogs doesn't work and has been proved not to work. The numpties just move onto other breeds.
I have 5 Staffordshire Bull Terriers they are one of only two breeds recognized as 'suitable with children' and the only breed from over to 200 to have 'totally reliable' in their breed standard. One girl I have has been a Pets As Therapy girl for over 10 years she worked in hospices, with a cancer surgeon when people were told if they did/didn't have cancer and the odd home for the elderly including one old chap that wanted her at his funeral and so we went along, space on the front pew was kept for her :) A Pomeranian (toy breed) killed a child, so have Dalamatians, Dachshund, Border Collie, Labrador, Lab Ret, Jack Russell, Greyhound, Belgian Shepherd etc and many many other breeds the media only seems to concentrate on the bull breeds. I wish my breed was rare, I wish the numpties would move onto another breed or better still not have a dog. The SBT gets blamed for any incident involving a short haired, brindle dog - The Lab and Border collie along with the GSD bite more people in the UK. The SBT as a breed is not a big dog it should be just 14-16" at the shoulder and not the huge 'types of crosses' that you see in urban areas and described as Staffords/Staffies. These same type of owners ruined the reputation of the Alsatian (GSD) in the 1970's. The SBT is a people friendly dog, hopeless as a 'guard' for your home. Having co-ordinated SBT rescue in the UK before we migrated for many years, homing about 200 per year all dogs/homes assessed there is for me no better breed on this planet, with some of the abuse and cruelty dogs are subjected to. None of the dogs that needed rehoming were from breeders that we knew, most weren't KC regd.......... people should research breeds they are interested in, only buy from responsible breeders that are health testing and these breeders will take a dog back at any age, they find the best homes..... Dogs deserve better more informed owners, instead of numpties having a dog for the sake of it, putting them outside, keeping on a chain, allowing them to roam, to cause a nuisance etc. Much like children they need a great deal of time and effort put into them. Training for life skills is a 24/7 job dogs learn so very much from us and are so good at reading us, it's a shame many people seem unable to do the same............. until the above paragraph is adhered to (by whatever means) just carry on blaming breeds and nothing will change. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by Wendy66
(Post 9176600)
Banning breeds of dogs doesn't work and has been proved not to work. The numpties just move onto other breeds.
I have 5 Staffordshire Bull Terriers they are one of only two breeds recognized as 'suitable with children' and the only breed from over to 200 to have 'totally reliable' in their breed standard. One girl I have has been a Pets As Therapy girl for over 10 years she worked in hospices, with a cancer surgeon when people were told if they did/didn't have cancer and the odd home for the elderly including one old chap that wanted her at his funeral and so we went along, space on the front pew was kept for her :) A Pomeranian (toy breed) killed a child, so have Dalamatians, Dachshund, Border Collie, Labrador, Lab Ret, Jack Russell, Greyhound, Belgian Shepherd etc and many many other breeds the media only seems to concentrate on the bull breeds. I wish my breed was rare, I wish the numpties would move onto another breed or better still not have a dog. The SBT gets blamed for any incident involving a short haired, brindle dog - The Lab and Border collie along with the GSD bite more people in the UK. The SBT as a breed is not a big dog it should be just 14-16" at the shoulder and not the huge 'types of crosses' that you see in urban areas and described as Staffords/Staffies. These same type of owners ruined the reputation of the Alsatian (GSD) in the 1970's. The SBT is a people friendly dog, hopeless as a 'guard' for your home. Having co-ordinated SBT rescue in the UK before we migrated for many years, homing about 200 per year all dogs/homes assessed there is for me no better breed on this planet, with some of the abuse and cruelty dogs are subjected to. None of the dogs that needed rehoming were from breeders that we knew, most weren't KC regd.......... people should research breeds they are interested in, only buy from responsible breeders that are health testing and these breeders will take a dog back at any age, they find the best homes..... Dogs deserve better more informed owners, instead of numpties having a dog for the sake of it, putting them outside, keeping on a chain, allowing them to roam, to cause a nuisance etc. Much like children they need a great deal of time and effort put into them. Training for life skills is a 24/7 job dogs learn so very much from us and are so good at reading us, it's a shame many people seem unable to do the same............. until the above paragraph is adhered to (by whatever means) just carry on blaming breeds and nothing will change. Spare me the "it's all the fault of the owners" mantra please. "23 U.S. fatal dog attacks occurred in 2008. Pit bull type dogs were responsible for 65% (15). Pit bulls make up approximately 5% of the U.S. dog population. In 2008, only one U.S. citizen over the age of 3 was killed by a breed other than a pit bull" http://www.dogsbite.org/bite-fatalities-2008.htm |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII
(Post 9176264)
That's a bit misleading. The article states Staffordshire cross, not a Staffordshire. Big difference. And there's no evidence that the dogs were either a pitbull or Staffy cross.
I must admit when I am out with my dogs it scares me the number of dogs that seem to be left in their yards and the highlight of their day is to go mad when anyone goes past.They are so wound up and even attack the other dog if there are two.I dread to think what they would do if they got out. A friend of mine was attacked when a dog got out it was a lab but that does not make the news. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 9176626)
...and back in the real world, where all dogs are not pampered pooches, with owners able to dedicate vast percentages of their lives to them, certain breeds ARE more likely to maim and kill. Constantly denying that fact and throwing up smoke screens about all dogs being able to bite, won't change that fact.
Spare me the "it's all the fault of the owners" mantra please. "23 U.S. fatal dog attacks occurred in 2008. Pit bull type dogs were responsible for 65% (15). Pit bulls make up approximately 5% of the U.S. dog population. In 2008, only one U.S. citizen over the age of 3 was killed by a breed other than a pit bull" http://www.dogsbite.org/bite-fatalities-2008.htm I must admit they scare me but I have never had much to do with them but I do know that American dog trainer whose name I cannot remember seems to be able to train them to be good pets. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by petensue
(Post 9176653)
I wonder what the owners were like that owned these pitbull types?They type that use them for dog fighting,starve them or just tied up as a guard dog?
I must admit they scare me but I have never had much to do with them but I do know that American dog trainer whose name I cannot remember seems to be able to train them to be good pets. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 9176661)
Why the assumption that all their owners treated them like crap?. If you read the link I posted you'll see that some, probably most, were simply family pets.
Ceaser Millan. Interestingly I watched one of his shows only yesterday. In it he was trying to calm down some angry little mutt. He introduced it to his American Pit Bull and Rottie... when the little dog continued barking at his Pit Bull he picked it up with the comment "that you can only push a Pit Bull so far". The family pet thing is also quoted when a dog attacks,I think it makes the attack seem nothing to do with the owner as it was the dog just turning bad out of the blue.I am not saying it does not happen but just a different point of view. I remember in one case the family pet was a dog that the step dad had bought from someone down the pub and the owner was selling it because it had already attacked someone!He did not care about his step children but wanted a guard dog!Some people have odd ideas about family pets and I saw this American women with pit bull types chained up in her garden referred to as her pets and it seems quite normal in America after watching Rescue Ink. I just feel so angry that some people should never be allowed to have dogs as a lot of the attacks could have been avoided with a bit of common sense. Ceaser Millan that's the man!I must admit I don't know anything about pit bulls as I don't know anyone who has owned one apart from seeing pit bull types when out with my dogs and I try to keep away from them. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by Kapri
(Post 9176482)
Here's a pic of my predator.
Be afraid...be very afraid :rofl:
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 9176551)
..and mine.
Thing is though, I bet even the people who's dog went on to kill somebody could produce pictures like these. Certain breeds are MUCH more likely to attack, and sustain that attack, than other breeds, regardless of how 'good' their owners are. They need to be eliminated. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by paulry
(Post 9176833)
And they say that dogs look like their masters/mistresses :rofl:
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Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 9176551)
..and mine.
Thing is though, I bet even the people who's dog went on to kill somebody could produce pictures like these. Certain breeds are MUCH more likely to attack, and sustain that attack, than other breeds, regardless of how 'good' their owners are. They need to be eliminated. I consider myself to be a responsible dog owner and it makes me sick that there are people who actually breed aggressive traits into dogs. I was bitten by a dog as a child (and can still remember the tetanus injection in my bum!) so I have a healthy respect for all dogs. At the same time that we got the dog in the pic (who we have had for 10 years), we also rescued a german shepherd cross. After we had had him for 6 months he began to bare his teeth at my daughter, who was then a toddler. It was quite frightening and unfortunately we had to put him down. I love animals but kids come first. |
Re: Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia
Originally Posted by paulry
(Post 9176833)
And they say that dogs look like their masters/mistresses :rofl:
She's a grey old thing now but was very pretty when she was younger :wub: |
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