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I have just had a so called fluffy dog go for my dog which was on a lead at the time coming back from our morning walk and this horrible little dog followed us home snapping all the time.I had to put my leg in the way at my front door to stop it from getting my dog while trying to unlock the door.

I expect the owners if they had of been there would have just laughed or blamed my dog as it was bigger.My dog has fits and I try to keep her stress free as much as possible I just hope the horrid thing is not waiting for us tomorrow.Sue.

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No, incapable and irresponsible people should be stopped from owning dogs.
These people will have problems, regardless of the breed they end up with.

If you think that your own dog (breed) could not cause serious damage to someone, you really don't know much about dogs.

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Virtually all breeds, mid size and above are capable of causing this kind of damage in the right/wrong circumstances

The French lady who was recipient of the first face transplant a few years ago, had her face bitten off by her own pet Lab!!

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Yes but when an Afghan had a fight with my whippet it was easy to get off, grabbed its collar and did a flank pull.

When one of the bully breeds attacked my dog that didnt work, it had him by the throat and no amount of flank pulling worked, 2 grown men sat on the dog and it took ALOT of work to get that dogs mouth off my dogs neck and I mean alot and had those guys not been there my dog would have more than likely been killed.

Seriously, some dogs are easier to get off than others but the pits/staffs/American bulldogs do not respond to the flank pull, it takes strength, courage, determination and sheer balls of steel to prize them off a dog and their jaw capacity is such that alot more damage can be done than say a JRT or greyhound in the time it takes you to get them off.

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But had the owners of the dog that attacked yours, been responsible enough, the attack would never have occured.
I agree that certain breeds bring greater responsibilty with regards to control, but that takes me back to my earlier point, that all dogs should be under control whilst in public.

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Don't talk bollocks. I'm well aware that my dog is capable of biting someone... I'm also well aware that he is exceptionally unlikely to do so. Why?... because it's not in his breed type. Vizsla have been bred for generations to be hunting dogs, to work with people, not as bloody attack dogs.

If you believe that an American Pitbull terrier has any place in an urban environment, regardless of who its owner is, then you are a fool.
You think these are OK to be around kids?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9B6Jxv_c8l...rrier-0305.jpg

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Dogs are just the same as people they all have different personalities.
You cant say that just because a dog is more powerful than others that it is more vicious.

The problem arises is that when a large powerful dog does decide to attack the damage is often more severe than the damage a smaller dog could cause.
Just the same way as a car accident causes injury when the speed is increased the chance of injury increases, travelling at lower speeds the risk of injury is decreased.

IMO all dogs have the capability to cause harm and I would never leave a small child unattended with any breed of dog.

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How many links would you like me to post of reports of people, usually kids, being killed by pitbulls?
How many videos would you like to see of pitbulls ripping people and other dogs apart?

I don't care how many people come on and post the mantra "it's not the dogs fault, it's the owners" because that simply isn't true. Pitbulls are genetically predetermined to be more aggressive than your average mutt. So yes, I can say that it is more likely to be vicious, because for a hundred generations its been bred by nutters determined to increase the aggressiveness of the breed.

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Post as many as you like it's all media sensationalism! All breeds of dogs are capable of attack.

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Yes, all media sensationalism.

Take a look at this list of fatal attacks in the US last year... pay careful attention to the breed and then the age of the poor bastards ripped to pieces... then scroll up and down and check the other years...then come back and tell me its all media sensationalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ported_in_2009

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To get them off only requires knowing how to get them off.

I don't know what's wrong with your part of Australia. I haven't seen a dog fight in years, nor has any dog attacked mine.

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Pitbulls are not bred as attack dogs.

Quote: "In the United States, these dogs were used as catch dogs for semi-wild cattle and hogs, to hunt, to drive livestock, and as family companions"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitbull

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Your pitbull pic looks a bit different to mine. You sure that's a Pitbull?

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Family companions... FFS, have you read that list?... Check out how many 'family companions' killed members of that family

I think the important bit of your quote is "WERE used". Do you seriously think that's the prime reason these things are kept now?

Why are you trying to defend the indefensible?

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I didn't have to look hard.. Go to google images.. put in American Pitbull.. it's the first one.

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Because I know the breed and they are not as the media portray.

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So what?. I gave you a list people killed by these things, just to reinforce that KILLED, and you give me a cute picture. That makes all the difference then. :rolleyes:

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I have had 3, my brother has had 4, and my sister has also had one they were all family dogs none of them showed any aggressiveness towards humans or other dogs. We made sure they were well socialized and had plenty of exercise and stimulation.

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So I guess all those people who were killed by them were just unlucky. :rolleyes:

What's that quote again.... Oh yeah... "Never argue with a fool, they will lower you to their level and then beat you with experience"

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Yes that looks more like an amercian pitt bull

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"they were all family dogs none of them showed any aggressiveness towards humans or other dogs"

and how many times is that line rolled out after a fatal attack?

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Have you actually read the thread... we moved on from Staffies ages back.

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Just because it is the first on google images doesn't mean it is actually a Pitbull. Looks more like a Dogo Argentino to me. It is far too heavily muscled. Was it a Pitbull on steroids?

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Oh, just forget it. If you want to keep insanely dangerous dogs I'm sure nothing I say will have any effect on that decision for one moment. i have better things to do than waste my time here.

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Coulden't tell you not one single person I have ever known have one, has had a dog that has attacked.

I knew someone in primary school who was killed by a dog, however it was a totally different breed and she had been left alone with the dog.

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When did I say anything about Staffies??

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"FATAL DOG ATTACKS: THE TRUTH BEHIND THE TRAGEDY
Extensive research and investigation has conclusively identified the ownership/management practices that are at the root of the rare, but perfect, storm when a dog becomes dangerous. "

http://dontbullymybreed.org/

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I have problems with some dogs. Not the Staffies I believe - the nutter dogs.

I don't like them because they look like brutes. And the owners look like brutes too. You don't have to be Einstein to see the connection in many cases.
"Ine luvly? Wouldn't 'arm anyone'.

That article says that 97pc of attacks in 2006 was done to facets of ownership, management and control. The problem I see is that the sort of people whose dogs attack people are precisely the people who should not own them and have probably failed to do those things. Of course it's all about their image.

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That's exactly right and that applies to all breeds. Unfortunately Pitbulls tend to attract the wrong kind of owners. There's nothing wrong with the dogs, it's the humans that are the problem.

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Lucky you, I happen to live near people that say 'oh he aint good with dogs' and then the stupid arseholes still think it should be let off the leash and it attacks another dog.

Poorly trained, poorly socialised, ignorance to think that their dog can still go off the leash even if it isnt good with other dogs and poor ownership.

That is what is wrong and I am not the only one to have had my dog attacked either where I live and Perth.

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Shock, horror.. a site dedicated to pitbulls says that they are not dangerous. You keep posting these and I can keep posting a list of the kids killed by them.

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Yes, but that's because you obviously haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

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So what the Hell are you talking about then... you say you have had three.. three what?

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You would you like to read that list of kids killed by pitbulls as well?

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What is it about the owners of these things that makes them oblivious to the facts when presented to them?
You have a list of people killed in the US by dogs... the overwhelming majority of whom were killed by pitbulls.. yet still you get comments like "you don't know what you're talking about".

Do these breeds attract idiots? Can you not see what everybody else sees? .... or are you secretly pleased with your little selves when people cross over the road to avoid you and your precious little animal?

Does it make you feel 'hard'?

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Never a truer word spoken.

What goes through the minds of these people when they are choosing a dog? What possible logic can they be using, especially those who have kids as well, when they sit down and say "I know, lets get a pitbull" :confused:

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I've looked at your list and have seen "pit bull type" mentioned, but couldn't see a single instance of an attack by an american pit bull (there is a difference)
Can you not get your head round the idea that certain breeds, primarily "pit bull type" are attractive to "£$%wits, who encourage the aggressive side of their dogs.
If the dog of choice for these tossers had been, lets say a rhodesian ridgeback you would find this breed would be catergorised as the most dangerous, I've no doubt.

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The "dog of choice for these tossers" yet here you are defending the breed. :confused:

Can you not get your head around the idea that it's a certainty that not all of the dogs in that list of fatalities were owned by "tossers". That probably most of them were owned by people like you. People who spend their time defending them as great 'family companions'... right up until the point where it ripped somebodies face off.

Can you not get your head around the fact that owning one of these animals, marks you down in the eyes of the general public, as one of the ****wits and tossers you so eagerly dismiss?

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Do you know any of the owners involved?
"Probably most of them were owned by people like you" I don't own a pitbull, never have, but have a fair bit of experience with them, both nice and nasty, have you?
Show me where I have stated that they are great family pets? I have simply put forward the view, based on my own experiences rather than media hype and wikipedia articles, that all dogs are potentially dangerous and some far more potentially dangerous than pitbulls.
Of course I could run off at the mouth also and suggest that you are one of those irresponsible dog owners that lets your dog off the leash to bother other people, "because little fiffy could never hurt anybody" then let it shite where ever it pleases, but of course I don't know you from Adam, so wouldn't make such assumptions :rolleyes:

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Try reading the thread eh?

We have had them quoted as 'family companions'
Do I know any of the owners.. of course not. But what are the chances of them all being "****wits and tossers"?. None
I keep hearing the term "media hype"... I guess a list of dead people is just hype to some.
Are people dying on purpose, just to give pitbulls a bad name? Inconsiderate bastards.

I own a Vizsla and if you had bothered to read the thread before trying to be a smart arse you would have known that. Look the breed up. Then explain to me why anybody would sensible choose a pitbull, when dogs such as the Viszla are available. The answer should be fascinating.