Somalis in Perth
Sep 8th 2006 | 9:54 pm
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Re: Somalis in Perth
Don't really know much about Somalis but as a copper in a nasty, violent town (portsmouth) I can say that each ethnic group seems to bring its own problems and benefits to society.
For example, Indians are generally hard working and honest. Vietnamese likewise but do like to dabble in prositution and people trafficking. Iraqis take a lot of menial jobs that no-one else wants but do have a penchant for drunk teenage girls and fighting. Zimbabweans (sp?) are a mixed bag but the youths often show no respect for authority or anyone around them and can be very violent. Somali criminals, much like Eastern Eurpoean criminals, have no hesitation in using extreme violence, especially towards police. White trash chavs like to steal, fight, torch cars and acquire ASBO's.
Obviously, what I'm talking about are the extremes and generalisations with a leaning toward the problem element of each group.
Living next door to 4 young Iraqi men who drink and cause trouble is no different to living next door to 4 young white English chavs.
Its difficult to discuss something like this without upsetting people. Its not like I'm saying all Iraqis and all Somalis are bad people but the fact is that they are different to "us" in societal terms and their criminality is different.
I think what is needed is a robust approach toward those that enter a country and cause problems while welcoming those that are there to make a contribution of benefit to society.
For example, Indians are generally hard working and honest. Vietnamese likewise but do like to dabble in prositution and people trafficking. Iraqis take a lot of menial jobs that no-one else wants but do have a penchant for drunk teenage girls and fighting. Zimbabweans (sp?) are a mixed bag but the youths often show no respect for authority or anyone around them and can be very violent. Somali criminals, much like Eastern Eurpoean criminals, have no hesitation in using extreme violence, especially towards police. White trash chavs like to steal, fight, torch cars and acquire ASBO's.
Obviously, what I'm talking about are the extremes and generalisations with a leaning toward the problem element of each group.
Living next door to 4 young Iraqi men who drink and cause trouble is no different to living next door to 4 young white English chavs.
Its difficult to discuss something like this without upsetting people. Its not like I'm saying all Iraqis and all Somalis are bad people but the fact is that they are different to "us" in societal terms and their criminality is different.
I think what is needed is a robust approach toward those that enter a country and cause problems while welcoming those that are there to make a contribution of benefit to society.
Sep 8th 2006 | 10:05 pm
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Re: Somalis in Perth
Originally Posted by spalen
somali so goody
Sep 8th 2006 | 10:11 pm
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Re: Somalis in Perth
Originally Posted by Professional Princess
The old saying 'there is good and bad in everyone' springs to mind,because I live not far from a large Somalian community.
The ladies tend to keep themselves to themselves whilst I'm afraid the male members of that community (although not all of them) have caused alot of trouble around our parts.
Violent and aggressive, they are known to the police for their crimes. An ex colleague of mine has been insulted for wearing skimpy tops and my dog was spat on by one group when I was on the bus.
At our local supermarket, they have caused alot of problems, going round the shops eating the food, refusing to pay for it and verbally attacking the assistants.
Even my husband saw on the bus he was on, a group of Somalians of about 18, refuse to pay the bus driver and threaten him. The bus driver without their knowledge, had pressed the panic button and made a stop at the police station where the police got on the bus and took them away.
Another time, we were coming back from the town and again, about 5 Somalians refused to pay (they dont like paying you see) and when the driver refused to drive the bus until they did, they swore at him and then shouted 'Suck your mother' to the driver, before punching the safety glass and getting off.
Crimes are committed by people from all walks of life, but it just so happens where I live and some surrounding areas, alot of the trouble happens to be from the Somalians.
I wont go to certain places where they are, or if I had to, I would watch what I wore, because I know from what has happened to others, that doing certain things will start trouble.
I realise they have come from a war torn and poor country and have been through alot, but speaking from experience, they do not always do themselves any favours.
Before anyone accuses me of being racist, I am not, this is how it is where I live and I have said not all of the Somalian community behave in this manner, its just when some of them do, they give the rest a bad name.
A refusal to integrate into society, hostile behaviour against Western clothing and culture and generally being aggressive and nasty, is not the way to go.
As my North African husband said, when in England....
The ladies tend to keep themselves to themselves whilst I'm afraid the male members of that community (although not all of them) have caused alot of trouble around our parts.
Violent and aggressive, they are known to the police for their crimes. An ex colleague of mine has been insulted for wearing skimpy tops and my dog was spat on by one group when I was on the bus.
At our local supermarket, they have caused alot of problems, going round the shops eating the food, refusing to pay for it and verbally attacking the assistants.
Even my husband saw on the bus he was on, a group of Somalians of about 18, refuse to pay the bus driver and threaten him. The bus driver without their knowledge, had pressed the panic button and made a stop at the police station where the police got on the bus and took them away.
Another time, we were coming back from the town and again, about 5 Somalians refused to pay (they dont like paying you see) and when the driver refused to drive the bus until they did, they swore at him and then shouted 'Suck your mother' to the driver, before punching the safety glass and getting off.
Crimes are committed by people from all walks of life, but it just so happens where I live and some surrounding areas, alot of the trouble happens to be from the Somalians.
I wont go to certain places where they are, or if I had to, I would watch what I wore, because I know from what has happened to others, that doing certain things will start trouble.
I realise they have come from a war torn and poor country and have been through alot, but speaking from experience, they do not always do themselves any favours.
Before anyone accuses me of being racist, I am not, this is how it is where I live and I have said not all of the Somalian community behave in this manner, its just when some of them do, they give the rest a bad name.
A refusal to integrate into society, hostile behaviour against Western clothing and culture and generally being aggressive and nasty, is not the way to go.
As my North African husband said, when in England....
Sep 8th 2006 | 10:11 pm
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Re: Somalis in Perth
Originally Posted by JackTheLad
Always knew you were a closet Christopher Biggins fan
I hardly think he qualifies as a 'comedy king', they set the bar pretty low on that one.
Sep 8th 2006 | 10:19 pm
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Re: Somalis in Perth
Originally Posted by Grayling
So why is Australia active encouraging increased immigration from India?
Theuy would not do that if they not accepted would they
Theuy would not do that if they not accepted would they
As far as im concerned what the governent does, and what the general population on the streets of australia think are not one and the same .
I have been here for 15 years and i havent met one person who agrees with letting more migrants in and that includes poms who have only been here a couple of years ,and the white born australians especially want to keep every one out especially if they are asian,black .Now obviously i am generalising but it has been my experience so far ,and we dont have to look to far to see that the great melting pot idea doesnt seem to work that well [america],with just about everyone there splitting off into their own communities .
My experience is that britain is more diverse and excepting of people from overseas from what ever colour and creed they are ,australia likes to think it is but deep down the white or the squatocracy is racist .
Sep 8th 2006 | 10:22 pm
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Re: Somalis in Perth
should deffo keep the bloody poms out, pushing up prices and forcing us to integrate with their ways. Can't buy a decent 4x4 now for less than 50k, pool prices are through the roof and Im sick of seeing that bloody pom food in coles, freeking marmite, bassets allsorts, they can bugger off back to their own country.
Ah the irony, it appears lost.
Ah the irony, it appears lost.
Sep 8th 2006 | 10:34 pm
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Jan and Alex - good post !
Very true. There are undesirables amongst people of every nationality, race, colour, religion, height, weight, hair colour, butter/margarine preference, etc, etc.
But, some 'groups' have an alien ( for want of a better word ) attitude and approach to many things. Not saying all these approaches are bad, good or indifferent. Just that they are different ( that's a better word than 'alien' ) to what the indiginous population are used to.
The approach of some to crime, work, respect for women/girls causes concern among many people. If people have such concerns it doesn't mean those concerns aren't genuine or legitimate just because other people find them distasteful. I'm sure nobody really thinks all Irish are stupid, all Scots and Jews are mean, all muslims are terrorists, all Germans are arrogant sunbed snafflers, all Swedes are blonde, all South Africans were racists, or all Brits are p*ssed-up, footie-shirt-wearing, shaven-headed louts. But, these are all stereotypes which have come about over time by smatterings of truths and a whole lot of ignorance. HOWEVER, if someone feels uncomfortable in the company of a load of p*ssed-up, footie-shirt-wearing, shaven-headed Brits then THAT IS HOW THEY FEEL. It's their choice to feel that way and they have a reason for feeling that way.
But, some 'groups' have an alien ( for want of a better word ) attitude and approach to many things. Not saying all these approaches are bad, good or indifferent. Just that they are different ( that's a better word than 'alien' ) to what the indiginous population are used to.
The approach of some to crime, work, respect for women/girls causes concern among many people. If people have such concerns it doesn't mean those concerns aren't genuine or legitimate just because other people find them distasteful. I'm sure nobody really thinks all Irish are stupid, all Scots and Jews are mean, all muslims are terrorists, all Germans are arrogant sunbed snafflers, all Swedes are blonde, all South Africans were racists, or all Brits are p*ssed-up, footie-shirt-wearing, shaven-headed louts. But, these are all stereotypes which have come about over time by smatterings of truths and a whole lot of ignorance. HOWEVER, if someone feels uncomfortable in the company of a load of p*ssed-up, footie-shirt-wearing, shaven-headed Brits then THAT IS HOW THEY FEEL. It's their choice to feel that way and they have a reason for feeling that way.
Sep 9th 2006 | 12:12 am
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Re: Somalis in Perth
Originally Posted by sassenach
I have been here for 15 years and i havent met one person who agrees with letting more migrants in and that includes poms who have only been here a couple of years ,and the white born australians especially want to keep every one out especially if they are asian,black .
If no Australians want to "let more migrants in", how do governments which keep doing it get re-elected. I've been here longer than 15 years and have found the opposite to be the case.
Perhaps it's an East coast thing.
Sep 9th 2006 | 12:24 am
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Re: Jan and Alex - good post !
Originally Posted by elmtree
Very true. There are undesirables amongst people of every nationality, race, colour, religion, height, weight, hair colour, butter/margarine preference, etc, etc.
But, some 'groups' have an alien ( for want of a better word ) attitude and approach to many things. Not saying all these approaches are bad, good or indifferent. Just that they are different ( that's a better word than 'alien' ) to what the indiginous population are used to.
The approach of some to crime, work, respect for women/girls causes concern among many people. If people have such concerns it doesn't mean those concerns aren't genuine or legitimate just because other people find them distasteful. I'm sure nobody really thinks all Irish are stupid, all Scots and Jews are mean, all muslims are terrorists, all Germans are arrogant sunbed snafflers, all Swedes are blonde, all South Africans were racists, or all Brits are p*ssed-up, footie-shirt-wearing, shaven-headed louts. But, these are all stereotypes which have come about over time by smatterings of truths and a whole lot of ignorance. HOWEVER, if someone feels uncomfortable in the company of a load of p*ssed-up, footie-shirt-wearing, shaven-headed Brits then THAT IS HOW THEY FEEL. It's their choice to feel that way and they have a reason for feeling that way.
But, some 'groups' have an alien ( for want of a better word ) attitude and approach to many things. Not saying all these approaches are bad, good or indifferent. Just that they are different ( that's a better word than 'alien' ) to what the indiginous population are used to.
The approach of some to crime, work, respect for women/girls causes concern among many people. If people have such concerns it doesn't mean those concerns aren't genuine or legitimate just because other people find them distasteful. I'm sure nobody really thinks all Irish are stupid, all Scots and Jews are mean, all muslims are terrorists, all Germans are arrogant sunbed snafflers, all Swedes are blonde, all South Africans were racists, or all Brits are p*ssed-up, footie-shirt-wearing, shaven-headed louts. But, these are all stereotypes which have come about over time by smatterings of truths and a whole lot of ignorance. HOWEVER, if someone feels uncomfortable in the company of a load of p*ssed-up, footie-shirt-wearing, shaven-headed Brits then THAT IS HOW THEY FEEL. It's their choice to feel that way and they have a reason for feeling that way.
Thats why every country with a declining population is in one way or another encouraging immigration of young people. These countries have already spent your pension money, they need young people to be working and paying taxes to pay your pension.
So as Peter Costello said, unless we all start 'having one for australia' then we need immigrants, regardless of their background. As long as they pay lots of TAXES!!!
JTL
Sep 9th 2006 | 12:25 am
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Re: Somalis in Perth
Originally Posted by Banksia
This sounds like an objectively based view.
If no Australians want to "let more migrants in", how do governments which keep doing it get re-elected. I've been here longer than 15 years and have found the opposite to be the case.
Perhaps it's an East coast thing.
If no Australians want to "let more migrants in", how do governments which keep doing it get re-elected. I've been here longer than 15 years and have found the opposite to be the case.
Perhaps it's an East coast thing.
In regards to being an ''east coast thing '' well you could be right ,the west coasters are so parochial and have their heads stuck up their arses half the time that its a wonder they manage to get a tan .
Sep 9th 2006 | 12:30 am
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Re: Somalis in Perth
Originally Posted by spalen
Yeah, like I didnt know you'd spot the reference. Weirdo...
I hardly think he qualifies as a 'comedy king', they set the bar pretty low on that one.
I hardly think he qualifies as a 'comedy king', they set the bar pretty low on that one.
Sep 9th 2006 | 1:00 am
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Re: Somalis in Perth
Originally Posted by sassenach
Well there is a reason for that and that is because every government lets migrants in ,i believe if it was put to the people every year the migration would stop or certainly the numbers would be drastically reduced ,i know one group of people who would vote for stopping migration straight away .
Pauline Hanson is no more (she is married to or partnered by a person who spoken English is so indeciperable she has to translate) and her supporters are now courted by John Howard. Although he is happy to pick on some minorities, the migrant figures (including 457 visas) are holding up.
Sep 9th 2006 | 2:03 am
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Re: Somalis in Perth
Originally Posted by Banksia
If that "one group" can't muster the numbers (and it does not seem to be in the race), it's whistling in the dark.
Pauline Hanson is no more (she is married to or partnered by a person who spoken English is so indeciperable she has to translate) and her supporters are now courted by John Howard. Although he is happy to pick on some minorities, the migrant figures (including 457 visas) are holding up.
Pauline Hanson is no more (she is married to or partnered by a person who spoken English is so indeciperable she has to translate) and her supporters are now courted by John Howard. Although he is happy to pick on some minorities, the migrant figures (including 457 visas) are holding up.
Sep 9th 2006 | 3:10 am
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Re: Somalis in Perth
Originally Posted by sassenach
Not refering to pauline hanson im afraid .
Are you not going to take this race riot seriously!!!!
Sorry!!! Wrong quote!!!!!
Sep 9th 2006 | 3:14 am
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Re: Somalis in Perth
[QUOTE=jon and alex]Don't really know much about Somalis but as a copper in a nasty, violent town (portsmouth)
How can you call pompy such horrible names!!! Many a fine evenings stroll ive had through Paulsgrove!!!!!
How can you call pompy such horrible names!!! Many a fine evenings stroll ive had through Paulsgrove!!!!!
