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Re: Qantas...hmmmm....
Anthony Albanese seems like a rabbit in the headlights.
Originally Posted by sonlymewalter
(Post 9703573)
And the Gillard government have failed abysmally for allowing these clowns to do this to it's customers:thumbdown:
Smart? Mature? Good business acumen? Not arf:rolleyes: |
Re: Qantas...hmmmm....
Maggie Thatcher would've sorted this out. she's probably still more able to do that than our current lady PM.
What Joyce has done is very smart. He's forced everyones hand. The stoppages will last a few hours after intervention by the govt forcing evreryone to get back to work (unless the Govt lawyers are the same ones who cannot read legislation that planned for the offshoring) - he's blown the power out of the unions. His view of " they are destroying the company in the long term" vs some short term 48hrs of pain to put a cessation to the ongoing damage and unceratainty of bogan union action is a brilliant stroke. The unions are now all saying "oh what - we didnt mean it" but the unions are the ones who have shut qantas down several times over last 3 mths and arguably that does more damage - they have been unreliable/therefore weakened in the market for months now because of this. Unions continuing view that people need pay rises in the middle of a GFC is a joke. They think they are in the resources industry not the global airline industry. |
Re: Qantas...hmmmm....
Originally Posted by northernbird
(Post 9702658)
... and Britain has never ever been held to ransom by the unions. I would pretty much bet a weeks wages that most of the union leaders here are of english/scottish/irish/welsh descent.
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Re: Qantas...hmmmm....
Originally Posted by IvanM
(Post 9703684)
Anthony Albanese seems like a rabbit in the headlights.
It's pretty obvious that this has been planned for ages, and is designed to force certain actions from the government. Politicians don't like snotty little businessmen playing them. Bribing, yes, but not playing them for fools. Win, lose or draw, expect 'an inquiry' to make him pay. |
Re: Qantas...hmmmm....
Originally Posted by Pollyana
(Post 9703121)
Go onto the Qantas site and have a look at your booking and see which fare type it is - they have Sale, Red-edeal, Supersaver and a couple of others, which are all economy. Most of them (except possibly "Sale") can be cancelled but you may only get credit, not a refund. It depends which actual fare type you booked.
Also on the Qantas homepage at present there is an orange banner which links to info on refunds/changes as a result of the current situation - at present they are only sorting out tickets 24 hours ahead. No way will they give you a refund now for a flight in March UNLESS your original ticket class allows it. Economy isn't enough for anyone to tell you what class it is. |
Re: Qantas...hmmmm....
Originally Posted by spalen
(Post 9703691)
Maggie Thatcher would've sorted this out. she's probably still more able to do that than our current lady PM.
What Joyce has done is very smart. He's forced everyones hand. The stoppages will last a few hours after intervention by the govt forcing evreryone to get back to work (unless the Govt lawyers are the same ones who cannot read legislation that planned for the offshoring) - he's blown the power out of the unions. His view of " they are destroying the company in the long term" vs some short term 48hrs of pain to put a cessation to the ongoing damage and unceratainty of bogan union action is a brilliant stroke. The unions are now all saying "oh what - we didnt mean it" but the unions are the ones who have shut qantas down several times over last 3 mths and arguably that does more damage - they have been unreliable/therefore weakened in the market for months now because of this. Unions continuing view that people need pay rises in the middle of a GFC is a joke. They think they are in the resources industry not the global airline industry. |
Re: Qantas...hmmmm....
Originally Posted by spalen
(Post 9703691)
Maggie Thatcher would've sorted this out. she's probably still more able to do that than our current lady PM.
Originally Posted by spalen
(Post 9703691)
What Joyce has done is very smart. He's forced everyones hand. The stoppages will last a few hours after intervention by the govt forcing evreryone to get back to work (unless the Govt lawyers are the same ones who cannot read legislation that planned for the offshoring) - he's blown the power out of the unions.
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Re: Qantas...hmmmm....
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 9703484)
That CEO has wrecked QANTAS reputation globally. How many people flying QANTAS around the world were even aware that there were industrial problems, problems that, in my opinion, are of his own making? How do they feel about QANTAS now, possibly having been stranded, by the actions of a ****wit of a CEO, out to make a 'point'? t. Compare that decision process with the people running the union and their decision process. |
Re: Qantas...hmmmm....
The only way to make Qantas pay is to look at the provisions in the privatization that we're designed to keep Qantas Australian. You are right about this being part of a plan but labour do not want to be painted as union lackeys even though this has the potential to bring down the government.
Qantas biggest mistake is timing during Chogm and Melbourne cup week. To then call this with no notice and ground planes that were taxiing is bizarre and has maximized passenger inconvenience. I can only think that they are hoping the action will bring a swift end to the stoppages. The action seems to be calculated at targeting affected workers pay packets. If it ends the dispute this week then Joyce will be praised but also had a massive loyalty to rebuild. Few brands in Australia had a similar loyalty. The bottom line to the exec is to bring the international cost base down to that of its rivals.
Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 9703697)
Looked to me like a politician desperately trying NOT to say "I want to skin that little ***** Joyce and nail what's left to the wall".
It's pretty obvious that this has been planned for ages, and is designed to force certain actions from the government. Politicians don't like snotty little businessmen playing them. Bribing, yes, but not playing them for fools. Win, lose or draw, expect 'an inquiry' to make him pay. |
Re: Qantas...hmmmm....
Six pages for the Big MT to be mentioned. How long before Adolf or the Nazis to invade?
Originally Posted by spalen
(Post 9703691)
Maggie Thatcher would've sorted this out. she's probably still more able to do that than our current lady PM.
What Joyce has done is very smart. He's forced everyones hand. The stoppages will last a few hours after intervention by the govt forcing evreryone to get back to work (unless the Govt lawyers are the same ones who cannot read legislation that planned for the offshoring) - he's blown the power out of the unions. His view of " they are destroying the company in the long term" vs some short term 48hrs of pain to put a cessation to the ongoing damage and unceratainty of bogan union action is a brilliant stroke. The unions are now all saying "oh what - we didnt mean it" but the unions are the ones who have shut qantas down several times over last 3 mths and arguably that does more damage - they have been unreliable/therefore weakened in the market for months now because of this. Unions continuing view that people need pay rises in the middle of a GFC is a joke. They think they are in the resources industry not the global airline industry. |
Re: Qantas...hmmmm....
Originally Posted by IvanM
(Post 9703715)
Six pages for the Big MT to be mentioned. How long before Adolf or the Nazis to invade?
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Re: Qantas...hmmmm....
Originally Posted by Wol
(Post 9703549)
Making announcements to passengers and wearing red ties as a gesture isn't exactly professional.
"We are currently in dispute with QANTAS management over their attempts to cut our pay and conditions" "Get off the plane and make your own way. QANTAS management have just grounded the entire airline" |
Re: Qantas...hmmmm....
Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 9703704)
Maggie was a destructive and divisive little **** that set the UK on the path to destruction. There's a reason they'll have to bury her half way up a wall
Which is why he's going to have to go. Can't have little twerps damaging their companies to play games. Sack him as a part of the fix and as a lesson that industrial relations is getting together and agreeing, not open warfare. |
Re: Qantas...hmmmm....
Never fails to amaze me just how many people rock up and start blaming the workforce everytime there is a labour dispute. Are you people not part of the workforce??..... or do you somehow all see yourselves as 'different' from all those 'Socialist nut jobs' threatening industrial action?
No chance I suppose that they could just be ordinary people, just like the rest of us, currently scared shitless at the the threats from QANTAS to sack thousands of them and move their jobs offshore? |
Re: Qantas...hmmmm....
I think she is proof zombies exist.
Originally Posted by spalen
(Post 9703717)
She's not dead yet. They are.
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