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Old Apr 14th 2019, 10:53 am
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well this has been an interesting read

so iv been in belmont north for a week and the place seems nice. the people here have been very helpful and overall compared to where i was before in the uk its clean and people take care of their yards/lawns and houses. everything i seem to need for shopping etc can be found within 15 mintues drive. rent is ok i managed to get a place 3 bedroom with a decent yard for $440 pw.

theres does seem to have been alot of work gone on in newcastle iv only driven through it a few times while looking for stuff but its certainly not as scruffy as say birmingham/coventry/leicester.

affordability wise is it cheaper certain things yes overall i would say slightly more expensive. hard to tell as i havnt been here long enough yet. well the work side of things i havnt even started looking yet so basically this will make or break it here for us. but if it doesnt work out we can always move.

the whole people watch these shows and think you can get 4 bed pool and acres of land for a quid im not sure iv met anyone who thinks that and if there is then they really are dreamers. the uk is no park walk its a hard life for most people i know their and they struggle. they also go to food banks so there you go. im not a grass is always greener type person, im more take the chance and see if it works type so as always lets hope it works lol

You can definitely get something for $450p/w in the Belmont area, albeit a rougher area. The walks on the lake will be lovely.
When I first moved here I was also pretty happy to live among the Bogans. Not so much now.
Having looked around a lot I'd say, if I wanted something around Belmont non quirky(e.g. toilet-cum-living room conversion) or next door to a Bogan with 10 quad bikes....$550p/w minimum.
But you may have more endurance for that sort of thing than I do
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Its misguided to just manipulate statistics like that, and it doesn't even contribute any meaning to your quip that "Australia is only marginally more expensive". And, of course some people's COL will be different (what a blindingly obvious point to make).

Wages are lower in the UK, and you get a far wider spectrum between wealth and poverty. The economic landscape in the UK reflects this hierarchy. (e.g. working class shop at ASDA, middle class in Sainsburys and so on).

Australia, being a Socialist egalitarian society means that for the average man, there are fewer options (this is a very critical point here). Now of course, the UK has expensive and beyond that makes any Australian pale away but we are talking average compared to average. There are more "average" options in the UK than there are in Australia.
Please point to the statistics that I 'manipulated'. On the subject of statistics, have a look at the HDI figures. HDI is the best measure of a nation that there is

We both agree that everyone's COL is different, so making the statement 'Australia is breath-takingly expensive compared to Norfolk' is ridiculous - and completely false. I usually find that when someone posts that kind of nonsense, there is an agenda at play
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"Australia is wealthier than the UK - Per Capita GDP is over 30% more (source: UN)"

This is hardly the full picture now is it? The UK has a far larger economy. And besides I don't see what the above has to do with my point about the difference of average?
For some fortunate people Australia can represent good value, to be sure. However it seems fair that no matter which way you look at it, Australia housing is overwhelmingly expensive.
I'm not suggesting that housing deal is much better in the UK either. However I found it much easier to buckle my belt tight in UK compared to here.

Australian credit debt is also perhaps the deepest in the world. There are many indices we can compare how expensive Australia is.
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Australia, being a Socialist egalitarian society means that for the average man, there are fewer options (this is a very critical point here). Now of course, the UK has expensive and beyond that makes any Australian pale away but we are talking average compared to average. There are more "average" options in the UK than there are in Australia.
I think this is a bit of a weird argument, tbh. There are fewer options (presuming you mean for retail) here because the population is smaller and considerably less densely distributed. A more egalitarian society is something I can only see as a good thing!

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However it seems fair that no matter which way you look at it, Australia housing is overwhelmingly expensive.
I'm not suggesting that housing deal is much better in the UK either. However I found it much easier to buckle my belt tight in UK compared to here.

Australian credit debt is also perhaps the deepest in the world. There are many indices we can compare how expensive Australia is.
There's probably something in this as I understand that the UK household credit to debt ratio is circa 130-140% (and has reduced in the last decade), whereas the Australian is circa 200%. However, it just doesn't tell the whole story. When my family visit they are in awe of the clean play parks, beaches, libraries etc. The first five or so years after migrating can be tough if you have to learn to cut your cloth a bit more carefully than before and it takes time to re-establish and to re-orientate your lifestyle to take advantage of what the new place has to offer. You might have less consumer choice here but I don't relate at all to your characterisation of exploring Australia as just beaches and barren dry emptiness. It's beautiful here and incredibly diverse. I agree it sucks to be renting here and house prices are ridiculous - >$500k for a 3 bed 1 bath ageing dump in a bogan burb - no thanks. But hopefully there will be a correction in the next few years!
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"Australia is wealthier than the UK - Per Capita GDP is over 30% more (source: UN)"

This is hardly the full picture now is it? The UK has a far larger economy. And besides I don't see what the above has to do with my point about the difference of average?
Eh? Your argument is ridiculous. Norway has a GDP about a 3rd of the size of Australia, yet is one of the wealthiest nations in the world with a superb lifestyle. Sao Paulo has a GDP greater than that of Vienna - but which is the wealthier and a nicer, safer place to live? Per Capita GDP is therefore the way to measure economic performance of smaller vs larger countries. It's Economics 101 and not rocket surgery

Private debt is too high in Australia but it is higher still in Scandinavia, Holland and Switzerland (our peers in Europe - the UK doesn't come close). How are they managing?

Average can mean everything or it can mean f**k all

Therefore it all boils down to agenda
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I think this is a bit of a weird argument, tbh. There are fewer options (presuming you mean for retail) here because the population is smaller and considerably less densely distributed. A more egalitarian society is something I can only see as a good thing!



There's probably something in this as I understand that the UK household credit to debt ratio is circa 130-140% (and has reduced in the last decade), whereas the Australian is circa 200%. However, it just doesn't tell the whole story. When my family visit they are in awe of the clean play parks, beaches, libraries etc. The first five or so years after migrating can be tough if you have to learn to cut your cloth a bit more carefully than before and it takes time to re-establish and to re-orientate your lifestyle to take advantage of what the new place has to offer. You might have less consumer choice here but I don't relate at all to your characterisation of exploring Australia as just beaches and barren dry emptiness. It's beautiful here and incredibly diverse. I agree it sucks to be renting here and house prices are ridiculous - >$500k for a 3 bed 1 bath ageing dump in a bogan burb - no thanks. But hopefully there will be a correction in the next few years!
I'm talking about how UK lifestyle is more setup to cater to different economic levels. Australia kind of just assumes one level. The tax, retail, housing all reflect this. UK there are benefits and equalisers for worse off households, not so much here.

I agree that numbers cannot alone tell the full story. What you are describing is pretty much what I'm talking about. Australia works out to be incredibly expensive if you are not established (or on holiday).


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I'm talking about how UK lifestyle is more setup to cater to different economic levels. Australia kind of just assumes one level. The tax, retail, housing all reflect this. UK there are benefits and equalisers for worse off households, not so much here.
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Tax? Really. Hardly. Very similar tax systems and the wealthy are supporting everyone else a lot earlier in their earnings in Australia.

Retail ..... yeah so what. Order it in. I certainly don't go to the UK these days and and think I must stock up on basics and take them back. As for petrol, I always stock up in Oz before I go.

Norfolk vs Oz? Says it all really. A town v a country. There is such a wide gap in Australia as there is in the UK. Sydney v Hobart. Chalk and cheese. It is almost comical the housing price gap between those two places. It also reflects the job availability and salary gap between the 2. I do know the cost of living is less in Sydney compared to London. It's all about what's left at the end of the month and Sydney comes out a winner.
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Wages are lower in the UK, and you get a far wider spectrum between wealth and poverty. The economic landscape in the UK reflects this hierarchy. (e.g. working class shop at ASDA, middle class in Sainsburys and so.
Lucky Australia doesn’t class people like uk does! Sure, we’ve got hoons, morons and dickheads, but we basically try to justify you based on if you’re hard worker, trustworthy and honest, we really don’t care where you shop at!
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Tax? Really. Hardly. Very similar tax systems and the wealthy are supporting everyone else a lot earlier in their earnings in Australia.

Retail ..... yeah so what. Order it in. I certainly don't go to the UK these days and and think I must stock up on basics and take them back. As for petrol, I always stock up in Oz before I go.

Norfolk vs Oz? Says it all really. A town v a country. There is such a wide gap in Australia as there is in the UK. Sydney v Hobart. Chalk and cheese. It is almost comical the housing price gap between those two places. It also reflects the job availability and salary gap between the 2. I do know the cost of living is less in Sydney compared to London. It's all about what's left at the end of the month and Sydney comes out a winner.
I'm talking about Tax...breaks...
You are essentially punished here for having children until recently childcare was hugely expensive, and getting married carries zero benefit, and so on. The UK has more tax breaks for the very rich and lower average. As I say, more strata and more ways to find which one you are most comfortable in (kind of).

I do agree its somewhat nonsensical to compare a county to a country. However I disagree that there is a great difference between housing in any Australian city, outside of the very upper margins (nobody here was comparing London to Sydney, or saying housing is reasonable in either country), so much that any could be considered "fair value". Rent has less of a stigma attached to it in the UK, I can be middle aspiration class and rent and feel guilt free in the UK. Here, I am looked down upon (yes I am, admit it).
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What makes matters worse, are the presence of false economy supermarkets - buying chinese crap in Kmart or "deals" in ALDI. Beyond the superficial savings you can't really beat the system goods just cost what they do
Does this not happen in the UK?


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Keeping a 3-4 bed house cool in summer costs about $1-2000 per quarter easily
Not in my house it doesn't, I open doors and windows and if in a room with a ceiling fan, I turn it on. And just out of interest, how much does it cost to keep a 3-4 bed house warm in Winter in the UK?
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You can definitely get something for $450p/w in the Belmont area, albeit a rougher area. The walks on the lake will be lovely.
When I first moved here I was also pretty happy to live among the Bogans. Not so much now.
Having looked around a lot I'd say, if I wanted something around Belmont non quirky(e.g. toilet-cum-living room conversion) or next door to a Bogan with 10 quad bikes....$550p/w minimum.
But you may have more endurance for that sort of thing than I do
well thats an interesting approach, toilet come living room conversation next door to a bogan, what constitutes a bogan i cant work it out?

on the estate im on wihch is actually jewells i seem to be surrounded by working people havent seen a quad bike but plenty of boats on trailers. the houses are well looked after and relatively expensive. they are roughly the same price as the area i come from in the north cotswolds and there are plenty of people who cant afford to buy and live on the bread line renting. as for the conversation i cant comment iv met very few people so far.

Britain is expensive as well most people are struggling there so that's just a first world thing in terms of expense. i know people who both work and have grandparents look after children for child care and still use food banks. that is a sad thing in a wealthy country.

we did in fact want to be in valentine but couldn't get a rent with the time frames involved so ended up here while we find our feet. im not sure what your used to in terms of lifestyle but from the way you speak you seem well off and upper end of the earning scale. either that or slightly bitter. so maybe your used to being around very wealthy people rather than what in britain we would call hard working honest families.

why should you have a tax break for being married it doesn't help a relationship and penalises couples who dont wish to be married.

you did say that wages are low here so as i haven't started work yet i can only hope to find something reasonably well paid and the same goes for the wife. if some of these areas you've spoken about you consider rough then i can honestly say you've never lived in a rough area. although iv only been here a week so hoping the poor picture you paint isnt true lol.
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Does this not happen in the UK?
I'm not saying UK is better or Australia is better or worse. Do some of you folks just skim these comments and not read properly ?

To be clear; Of course it happens in the UK!!!! In fact there are MORE scams going in the UK. To be clear; in the UK there is a culture built around each layer of strata. You just need to find the one you want to be in, or born into. I could go on and on about how.
That simply doesn't exist in Australia. You have to embrace the one size fits all culture. Finding your stride can be challenging especially if you are not adequately resourced. I maintain that its staggeringly expensive in Australia until you are established.
I'd say it was the closest I came to culture shock here, experiencing those "holy f**k, $500 to change a car battery" moments. I now know to go to supercheapauto

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well thats an interesting approach, toilet come living room conversation next door to a bogan, what constitutes a bogan i cant work it out?

on the estate im on wihch is actually jewells i seem to be surrounded by working people havent seen a quad bike but plenty of boats on trailers. the houses are well looked after and relatively expensive. they are roughly the same price as the area i come from in the north cotswolds and there are plenty of people who cant afford to buy and live on the bread line renting. as for the conversation i cant comment iv met very few people so far.

Britain is expensive as well most people are struggling there so that's just a first world thing in terms of expense. i know people who both work and have grandparents look after children for child care and still use food banks. that is a sad thing in a wealthy country.

we did in fact want to be in valentine but couldn't get a rent with the time frames involved so ended up here while we find our feet. im not sure what your used to in terms of lifestyle but from the way you speak you seem well off and upper end of the earning scale. either that or slightly bitter. so maybe your used to being around very wealthy people rather than what in britain we would call hard working honest families.

why should you have a tax break for being married it doesn't help a relationship and penalises couples who dont wish to be married.

you did say that wages are low here so as i haven't started work yet i can only hope to find something reasonably well paid and the same goes for the wife. if some of these areas you've spoken about you consider rough then i can honestly say you've never lived in a rough area. although iv only been here a week so hoping the poor picture you paint isnt true lol.
I said Newcastle was nice, didn't I? Bear in mind you are in the intoxicated phase with the place having just moved here. You don't know how to read the place yet.
Jewells is pretty close to Windale. Be careful, lots of meth heads there.
By the way, you've done well to score a rental without a job, how did you manage that?
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Not in my house it doesn't, I open doors and windows and if in a room with a ceiling fan, I turn it on. And just out of interest, how much does it cost to keep a 3-4 bed house warm in Winter in the UK?
Agree. No air con in my place (Sydney). Windows open and ceiling fans for sleep time.

I reckon there was one night this summer where we thought air con would be a good idea. Hardly worth the investment. However I invested in some top line ceiling fans. Dead quiet, and there's like a wafting breeze floating over you as you sleep. So so much nicer than air con and cheaper too.

Winter in my place is more than a challenge. The house is over 100 years old so it's cold and not insulated anywhere but the roof. We have one of those gas heaters. Not cheap, about $1000 but they do heat up the whole house and more importantly the hot air rises so all the bedrooms upstairs are just right for bed time. Speaking of which, must get the thing out and serviced before winter arrives.
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you did say that wages are low here so as i haven't started work yet i can only hope to find something reasonably well paid and the same goes for the wife.
There are no low wages in Australia. None. You can thank one of the highest minimum wages in the world which often contributes to expensive stuff in other areas.
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