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-   -   Labour has won (https://britishexpats.com/forum/australia-54/labour-has-won-684374/)

foha2012 Sep 8th 2010 12:32 am
Re: Labour has won
 
Originally Posted by ex_exile (Post 8832601)
Its not going to be an easy ride, nor was it an easy ride through the GFC but Labor got Australia through it with a world beating economic performance. They have earned the right to be considered good economic managers, look at their record over the last 3 years. You may not like pink batts or the Rudd knifing but dont confuse that with who is better at managing the economy, the country is safe in Labors hands.
Ex-Exile,

Nice moustace !! reminds me of the famous "Crocodile Dundee" dialog: "You call tha a knoif ? thats not a knoif, here's knoif!"

You cheered me up ! Thanks !

Cheers,

TAA

roaringmouse Sep 8th 2010 1:01 am
Re: Labour has won
 
Originally Posted by fish.01 (Post 8833886)
Ok. Add their votes to the nationals total then rather than the liberals as more votes would be nationals votes ;) didn't they win 20 of the seats...libs wouldn't have a chance without them :)
The important word is...coalition.

fish.01 Sep 8th 2010 1:30 am
Re: Labour has won
 
Originally Posted by roaringmouse (Post 8833975)
The important word is...coalition.
No the important phrase is ....read the whole thread :)....you missed what we are talking bout I think....for an exercise abc is listing each party separately...ie including splitting the coalition into its constituent parties...I'm arguing a portion of the Qld lnp votes should be added to the nationals total rather than unfairly giving them all to the libs...specially given that in qld state elections nationals get far more seats than libs....even in brisbane. Libs get 2 seats or something :)

ex_exile Sep 8th 2010 9:38 am
Re: Labour has won
 
Originally Posted by fish.01 (Post 8834021)
No the important phrase is ....read the whole thread :)....you missed what we are talking bout I think....for an exercise abc is listing each party separately...ie including splitting the coalition into its constituent parties...I'm arguing a portion of the Qld lnp votes should be added to the nationals total rather than unfairly giving them all to the libs...specially given that in qld state elections nationals get far more seats than libs....even in brisbane. Libs get 2 seats or something :)
You are probably right but its not an easy thing to do, effectively the "coalition" is a coalition of 3 parties LIB+NAT+LNQ not 2, maybe 4 if you add the WA country liberal.

I notice that ABC resists the urge to add LAB and GRN votes to give a comparitive coalition vote size. Statistics are open to distortion as ABC shows with nearly every post, his statistics are not incorrect per se but they are shall we say carefully chosen.

Deancm_MKII Sep 8th 2010 11:27 am
Re: Labour has won
 
Originally Posted by ex_exile (Post 8835032)
his statistics are not incorrect per se but they are shall we say carefully chosen.
You mean just like yours. :p

Deancm_MKII Sep 8th 2010 11:44 am
Re: Labour has won
 
Originally Posted by ex_exile (Post 8832934)
racking up maximum surpluses is not necessarily the right way to plan for the time when the resource boom ends.
And racking up a massive deficit is the quickest road to bankrupting the country. Labor loves to borrow.

Deancm_MKII Sep 8th 2010 11:45 am
Re: Labour has won
 
Originally Posted by renth (Post 8832944)
I agree IMO a surplus is almost as bad as a deficit. It deprives taxpayers of choosing how to spend their money.
Deficit ends up with us paying higher taxes.

ex_exile Sep 8th 2010 12:20 pm
Re: Labour has won
 
Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII (Post 8835245)
Deficit ends up with us paying higher taxes.
Have your tax rates over the last 3 years gone up or down?

Deancm_MKII Sep 8th 2010 1:54 pm
Re: Labour has won
 
Originally Posted by ex_exile (Post 8835293)
Have your tax rates over the last 3 years gone up or down?
I said "ends up". Three years ago we had a surplus. Now we don't. Wait for it because the deficit is about to bite the workers arse with the current govt.

Don't you understand basic economics? If you borrow money it needs to be paid back, with interest. Who do you think is going to pay for it? The leprechauns down the bottom of your garden? Or is the government going to find a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow?

ex_exile Sep 8th 2010 2:08 pm
Re: Labour has won
 
Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII (Post 8835410)
I said "ends up". Three years ago we had a surplus. Now we don't. Wait for it because the deficit is about to bite the workers arse with the current govt.

Don't you understand basic economics? If you borrow money it needs to be paid back, with interest. Who do you think is going to pay for it? The leprechauns down the bottom of your garden? Or is the government going to find a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow?
I'm sorry but I'm really not responsible for what you believe, if you believe the above then good luck to yer but I've wasted enough time with you.

Enjoy the Labor years.

Deancm_MKII Sep 8th 2010 2:22 pm
Re: Labour has won
 
Originally Posted by ex_exile (Post 8835435)
Enjoy the Labor years.
Very short they will be too. That is if they even make it to a year. The next 6 months will be very exciting.

I never though you would be one to back down from a discussion.

roaringmouse Sep 8th 2010 3:40 pm
Re: Labour has won
 
Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII (Post 8835243)
And racking up a massive deficit is the quickest road to bankrupting the country. Labor loves to borrow.
Indeed - look at what Labour did in the UK when the going was good. Increased the debt, and encouraged easy borrowing for people - result=making the GFC much much worse than it needed to be for the UK.

fish.01 Sep 8th 2010 3:59 pm
Re: Labour has won
 
Originally Posted by roaringmouse (Post 8835553)
Indeed - look at what Labour did in the UK when the going was good. Increased the debt, and encouraged easy borrowing for people - result=making the GFC much much worse than it needed to be for the UK.
Various independent world bodies rated the Labor governments handling of the GFC as top drawer. ;) In Australia, over the past few decades, both the coalition and labor parties have made wise economic decisions and bad ones - as acknowledged by both sides. More down to the people in the party at the time then the jersey colour these days....despite the old cliches. The current coalition team give all appearance of being economic lightweights. Bad enough that even ex national party independents have judged them so. If the coalition had a different leader and treasurer things may change.

Deancm_MKII Sep 8th 2010 4:51 pm
Re: Labour has won
 
Originally Posted by fish.01 (Post 8835567)
Various independent world bodies rated the Labor governments handling of the GFC as top drawer. ;) In Australia, over the past few decades, both the coalition and labor parties have made wise economic decisions and bad ones - as acknowledged by both sides. More down to the people in the party at the time then the jersey colour these days....despite the old cliches. The current coalition team give all appearance of being economic lightweights. Bad enough that even ex national party independents have judged them so. If the coalition had a different leader and treasurer things may change.
Such as the World Bank? International Monetary Fund?

Hmmm.... There are some sources that reckon these institutions were behind the GFC in the first place. All conspiracy theories mind...

bcworld Sep 8th 2010 5:41 pm
Re: Labour has won
 
Originally Posted by ex_exile (Post 8833608)
anything below 50.1-49.9 is still a tie.
...getting close to those numbers now, ALP nearly 20,000 ahead, 50.08% plays 49.92%.

http://vtr.aec.gov.au/

EDIT: make that 50.09% vs 49.91%


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