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Old May 11th 2006 | 2:34 am
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i have a tutor who calls the local rag the Queue-rier mail..... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BLOODY WRONG!!!! AAARRGGGHHHH!!!!


it does ma heed in!! hehehe


no seriously though. I'm only 24 and I find myself cringing with the way that the people in my classes speak and write. Infact there's a chinese girl in one of my classes who has a better understanding of grammer than most of the first-language-english people.


we've just done rhyming poerty in my literature class and I got into an argument with a couple of people as they said that one of the poems we had to read, didn't rhyme. The poem was written by a scot and according to them MY pronounciation of the SCOTTISH poets words was wrong.... err no!

i live in hope!! hehehe
 
Old May 11th 2006 | 2:49 am
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Originally Posted by svinnes
I think i am going crazy, Or is my english not very good, My daughter had to do a word search page for her homework and she had to write two words but with the same sounding, Ie eight/ ate so we looked for an hour looking for the same as sore i am looking for the soar becasue i thought that would be the right word, So went up to the school and complained saying that the word search was wrong because the only word i could see that was not used was saw, She went away and said she would look in to it, Only to tell my daughter that sore and saw are the same word and its my accent that was wrong. I thought that we all spoke the queens english. Any help
Suzanne
I also say sore and saw and they sound no different.I had this problem once with a spanish teacher she did exactly the same to my daughter.I told her the 2 words did sound the same and she replied "not how i say them" to which i replied yes but you are saying it with a spanish accent and as you are now in england you should respect that my daughter has been taught to say them this way and if she wanted them sound how she said them then she should go back and teach in spain.So i think if you are english living in oz you have to respect that they do say things differently to us.Maybe it would have been nice for her to have said she understood you said the word that way but in oz it was incorrect.I would have thought about what i had said to that spanish teacher that day and thought if i want my daughter to say it the english way then perhaps i should go back there.i an not having a dig at you because at the end of the day you are just defending your own child but this is just an opinion from someone living in south london that comes across things like this every day!
 
Old May 11th 2006 | 5:22 am
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Originally Posted by andy thomas
Aussies cant speak english to save their lives
Or, to put it another way, we have a different accent.

I had a similar argument over the words FOR and FOUR, Aussie teacher said they were pronounced the same, I dont think so.
According to the Cambridge English Dictionary, they are pronounced in exactly the same way.

And what about the use of singular and plural, they havent got a clue. How many time do you hear a newsreader for example say something like:-

There is loads of reasons..........or there is 500 people outside.............
...and while the generalisations are flying, I invite you to join me in the West Midlands, where you will hear this exact same error repeated on a daily basis.

Move further up (into the Black Country) and confusion abounds: "am we" instead of "are we", "am you" instead of "are you", "he's" instead of "his", and a host of other regional bastardisations which are widely accepted as perfectly legitimate speech.

Looking around this forum, I have lost count of the number of times I've seen "of" appearing where correct English demands "have." ("We would of gone to the Gold Coast, but I'd heard it was too touristy...")

Don't even get me started on the British abuse of apostrophes.

Lets face it, it's either English or it's wrong, you cant say you speak one language and then alter it to suit yourself
Agreed.

maybe all those convicts were just a bit thick when they came over and it's their fault.

Andy
Well, they were English, after all...
 
Old May 11th 2006 | 5:23 am
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Originally Posted by Pollyana
But the two that annoy me everytime are know-en/show-en - there's no E in it for goodness sake, and the Queensland "yous" - as in "Are yous going to work tomorrow" - there's only one of me, why make it plural!!!!
I've noticed that the Scots say "yous."
 
Old May 11th 2006 | 5:25 am
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Originally Posted by benny the ball
Two words in English, hegemony and phthisis, have nine pronunciations each.
Ironically the word orthoepy, which is the word for the study of pronunciation in English can itself be pronounced two ways!

There are about 44 different distinct sounds in the English language, twelve vowels, nine dipthongs and twenty three consonants. Pronunciation in English is therefore not a precise art. Any of the groups of two words in your word search could be pronounced differently by different regional accents, you just picked up on that one because it's different to you. If you are working on your pronunciation of words you are right, if you are working on received pronunciation they are right.


I'll just get my coat......
That's a cracking good post Benny, and I agree with it in principle.

However, when it comes to basic words like "saw" and "soar", the phonetic construction demands a strict pronunciation.
 
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Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
I've noticed that the Scots say "yous."

Some Yorkshire people do too.

Of course I don't cos I know how to spoke proper
 
Old May 11th 2006 | 5:27 am
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Originally Posted by WendyC
Some Yorkshire people do too.

Of course I don't cos I know how to spoke proper
Good on yous!
 
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What the hell? Sore and saw do not sound the same! Especially if they are pronounced properly. And in the UK we had to put up with plummy English types on the news talking about "Lawr & Order", "dRawring" for sketching a picture, secetery for secretary and "plice and amblance". And someone says Aussies can't talk! Hah!
 
Old May 11th 2006 | 11:22 pm
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personally i would say that some ppl just cant spoke properly



Originally Posted by andy thomas
Aussies cant speak english to save their lives, I had a similar argument over the words FOR and FOUR, Aussie teacher said they were pronounced the same, I dont think so.

And what about the use of singular and plural, they havent got a clue. How many time do you hear a newsreader for example say something like:-

There is loads of reasons..........or there is 500 people outside.............Lets face it, it's either English or it's wrong, you cant say you speak one language and then alter it to suit yourself, maybe all those convicts were just a bit thick when they came over and it's their fault.

Andy
 
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Originally Posted by Pollyana
Much the same with many French words - I've had three arguments over the way to say "Moet" and 'c'est la vie' is pronounced with a T by a guy at work - have worked out now that they just say them as they look, no silent letters.

But the two that annoy me everytime are know-en/show-en - there's no E in it for goodness sake, and the Queensland "yous" - as in "Are yous going to work tomorrow" - there's only one of me, why make it plural!!!!

You do pronounce the T in Moet, as its someones name

Jeez I have'nt posted in ages!

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ny son came home from school one day in tears because he had got all his spelling words wrong......I asked to see his book...and he wasnt amused when I was pissin meself laffin.......he had spelt all the words exactly how he had heard them with the aussie twang. I went to the teacher and explained that he was having hassles understanding her accent and could she perhaps speak a little slower...after she did this is is getting better. The pet hate of mine is....and folk did it in the UK too so I am not judging here lol

is MEMO of course short for MEMORANDUM which is always pronounced ME MO what the **** is a ME MO Randum

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I think it all stemmed from the regional areas in the UK. Londoners use wrong plurals, in the North they miss out on definite articles etc.

Apparently, Americans use certain words and grammar that were correct in England several hundred years ago - its the English that have changed.
 
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Originally Posted by andy thomas
Aussies cant speak english to save their lives
Andy

You think Poms can?
 
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Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
This woman is a cretin and a disgrace to the Australian education system. She should not be teaching.
I kind of agree - a homophone - is only a homophone dependant upon your accent/dialect.

She should have stuck with the common homophones - see and sea!
 
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Originally Posted by svinnes
I think i am going crazy, Or is my english not very good, My daughter had to do a word search page for her homework and she had to write two words but with the same sounding, Ie eight/ ate so we looked for an hour looking for the same as sore i am looking for the soar becasue i thought that would be the right word, So went up to the school and complained saying that the word search was wrong because the only word i could see that was not used was saw, She went away and said she would look in to it, Only to tell my daughter that sore and saw are the same word and its my accent that was wrong. I thought that we all spoke the queens english. Any help
Suzanne

Soar and saw sound the same to me too.
 


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