How long before one feels "Australian"
#31
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Re: How long before one feels "Australian"
When the words to "We are Australian"
http://users.bigpond.net.au/aussieconnection/chorus.htm
grab you.
http://users.bigpond.net.au/aussieconnection/chorus.htm
grab you.
#32
Re: How long before one feels "Australian"
Originally Posted by jayr
Then why don't you just move out of Manchester?
#33
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Re: How long before one feels "Australian"
Originally Posted by jonni boy
because we have been to australia twice and feel that our 3 young daughters would have a better chance being brought up over there,we also enjoy the way of life and find that australian's are in general a nice and helpfull people.we like the climate and we like the oudoor lifestyle,we will be taking a good amount of money with us,do u want me to carry on.
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Re: How long before one feels "Australian"
Originally Posted by jayr
If you asked Badge he'll tell you he felt Australian before he
even got here...
even got here...
I spent some time on a US summer camp in 1993 and I spent all my time with the Australians, they were the most mature out of all the counsellors on the camp, I was abit embarassed to hang around with the Brit blokes as they were rude, unfit, socially awkward, and loutish - almost to a man, unfortunately, of course, which said alot about the selection process, not Brit people. I also noticed that the Aussies were much better at coping with life in general, they were popular with the kids, they knew about camping, outdoors, and just had that x factor. The Brits hang back and never really got involved which was abit embarassing. I was the only Brit with any versatile outdoor skills - but I'd had military training. There was one other UK bloke but he'd also had military trg too.
When I dated a Aussie girl in London, she told me all about Australia in fine detail and I knew I would do ''OK'' over here - I just knew. When I actually arrived for my first year, that year just confirmed it.
Badge
Last edited by Badge; Feb 23rd 2005 at 8:20 am.
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Re: How long before one feels "Australian"
Originally Posted by Banksia
When the words to "We are Australian"
http://users.bigpond.net.au/aussieconnection/chorus.htm
grab you.
http://users.bigpond.net.au/aussieconnection/chorus.htm
grab you.
Last edited by bondipom; Feb 23rd 2005 at 9:43 am.
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Re: How long before one feels "Australian"
Originally Posted by G'Day
I don't agree with than last statement at all. I think whether or not you care to acknowledge your previous culture and community depends on where you came from and whether you ever felt like you were actually a part of that community and culture. I for one have no problem totally leaving behind what I had before as I never felt at home in the ignorant, racist, bigoted culture that I was born into, but I feel totally at home in multi-cultural Melbourne. I find it a tad pathetic to meet people who've been in Australia for ten years and who still speak of their former countries as "home".
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Re: How long before one feels "Australian"
Originally Posted by bondipom
Why is it pathetic? Home is where you feel it, not soemthing that can be forced through time. There is ignorance and racism everywhere and like Stanton you seem be making the same type of sweeping ignorant statements whilst leaving out the obvious foibles of ones own nation.
I told The Bloke this week that I wanted to go "home" for a holiday later this year, and he got very worried about whether I would want to come back here afterwards. I pointed out that just because I feel the UK is "home" (because I spent 40 years there) doesn't mean I want to go and live there again.
Incidentally, he grew up in a small Queensland town, and even after 15 odd years in Brisbane, he still refers to his original town as "home".
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Re: How long before one feels "Australian"
Originally Posted by Pollyana
Very true. Home is somewhere in your heart, somewhere you feel you can relax, and somewhere which is familiar to you..
I told The Bloke this week that I wanted to go "home" for a holiday later this year, and he got very worried about whether I would want to come back here afterwards. I pointed out that just because I feel the UK is "home" (because I spent 40 years there) doesn't mean I want to go and live there again.
Incidentally, he grew up in a small Queensland town, and even after 15 odd years in Brisbane, he still refers to his original town as "home".
I told The Bloke this week that I wanted to go "home" for a holiday later this year, and he got very worried about whether I would want to come back here afterwards. I pointed out that just because I feel the UK is "home" (because I spent 40 years there) doesn't mean I want to go and live there again.
Incidentally, he grew up in a small Queensland town, and even after 15 odd years in Brisbane, he still refers to his original town as "home".
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Re: How long before one feels "Australian"
There's another line.
You may call something home, or refer it to as home but don't really care for it, or need it.
I still call the UK home, or at least the suburb where my father lives, "home", but it does not feel home, nor does the UK, it is a notional "home" dictated by the fact that might have been the place I turn up to when over that part of the world. Australia will always be home for me now, because it is my spirutual home, even if I am not in Australia.
And what G'day is saying I think, if you can be 10 years in a place and not call it home, then you need to be elsewhere ie. things *may* not be as good as they could be!!!
Badge
You may call something home, or refer it to as home but don't really care for it, or need it.
I still call the UK home, or at least the suburb where my father lives, "home", but it does not feel home, nor does the UK, it is a notional "home" dictated by the fact that might have been the place I turn up to when over that part of the world. Australia will always be home for me now, because it is my spirutual home, even if I am not in Australia.
And what G'day is saying I think, if you can be 10 years in a place and not call it home, then you need to be elsewhere ie. things *may* not be as good as they could be!!!
Badge
Last edited by Badge; Feb 23rd 2005 at 12:35 pm. Reason: misread Bondis post so edited
#40
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Re: How long before one feels "Australian"
Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
Any other long term Migrants really feel Australian ?
Never, not in a million years. I'm Welsh who holds Australian citizenship, and not "Welsh Australian", the same as I have never been "Welsh Irish" ( mum is Irish - I feel as much Irish as I do Australian - zilch. You can not blow with the wind if you really do feel what true nationality is) . Some people putting on a fake identities just don't cut it with me, I just feel sorry for them.
I found it really odd when I was filling in the departing and landing cards going out and in of Aus this xmas , the part where it says on the card what nationality are you on your passport ( I've got to use my Aussie passport for entering and leaving Aus)... it killed me to write Australian. So unnatural for me to write that - I'm not ,I'm not !!!. So I b*ggered it up and wrote owstralian, getting into the swing of things lol
I don't see the need to pretend I'm something I'm not. You can't buy nationality, you can't just turn off who you are, and a piece of paper i.e. citizenship does not define a persons true nationality.
I always feel sorry for those who thinks that nationality is something you can go with which ever way the wind is blowing. No passion, no depth.
cheers
Last edited by Ceri; Feb 23rd 2005 at 2:12 pm.
#41
Re: How long before one feels "Australian"
Originally Posted by bondipom
Is that a part of bigpond that works. The song is what I hate about patriotism. Ugly and naff. It is also a Telstra ad. Next someone will post a link to Shannon Noll singing cmon Aussie.
#42
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Re: How long before one feels "Australian"
Originally Posted by Superior
If that is how you truly feel, why are you even here? Go 'home'.
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Re: How long before one feels "Australian"
Interesting comments from ceri as follows
[BOLD] Never, not in a million years. I'm Welsh who holds Australian citizenship, and not "Welsh Australian", the same as I have never been "Welsh Irish" ( mum is Irish - I feel as much Irish as I do Australian - zilch. You can not blow with the wind if you really do feel what true nationality is) . Some people putting on a fake identities just don't cut it with me, I just feel sorry for them. [/BOLD]
Can you give me 5 identity traits, that are exclusive to Welsh people that Aussies dont have, Besides accent.
Reason I ask, Is The reason I fell Australian now, is probably because I've spent more than half my life here, I wouldn't call it acclimatising more like Assimilating. I have assimilated into the local culture and feel of the place, A slow gradual process which comes naturaly, To fight against assimilation is probably unnatural.
Wonder what the shrinks would say ?
Like another poster before me said, Last time I went back to England about 1989ish, It felt slightly foreign to me. Does Australia still feel foreign to you Ceri ?
(whats wrong with the vb code dammit lol)
[BOLD] Never, not in a million years. I'm Welsh who holds Australian citizenship, and not "Welsh Australian", the same as I have never been "Welsh Irish" ( mum is Irish - I feel as much Irish as I do Australian - zilch. You can not blow with the wind if you really do feel what true nationality is) . Some people putting on a fake identities just don't cut it with me, I just feel sorry for them. [/BOLD]
Can you give me 5 identity traits, that are exclusive to Welsh people that Aussies dont have, Besides accent.
Reason I ask, Is The reason I fell Australian now, is probably because I've spent more than half my life here, I wouldn't call it acclimatising more like Assimilating. I have assimilated into the local culture and feel of the place, A slow gradual process which comes naturaly, To fight against assimilation is probably unnatural.
Wonder what the shrinks would say ?
Like another poster before me said, Last time I went back to England about 1989ish, It felt slightly foreign to me. Does Australia still feel foreign to you Ceri ?
(whats wrong with the vb code dammit lol)
Last edited by ozzieeagle; Feb 23rd 2005 at 2:43 pm.
#44
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Re: How long before one feels "Australian"
Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
Interesting comments from ceri as follows
Never, not in a million years. I'm Welsh who holds Australian citizenship, and not "Welsh Australian", the same as I have never been "Welsh Irish" ( mum is Irish - I feel as much Irish as I do Australian - zilch. You can not blow with the wind if you really do feel what true nationality is) . Some people putting on a fake identities just don't cut it with me, I just feel sorry for them.
Can you give me 5 identity traits, that are exclusive to Welsh people that Aussies dont have, Besides accent.
Reason I ask, The reason I fell Australian now, is probably because I've spent more than half my life here, I would call it acclimatising more like Assimilating. I have assimilated into the local culture and feel of the place, A slow gradual process which comes naturaly, To fight against assimilation is probably unnatural.
Wonder what the shrinks would say ?
Like another poster before me said, Last time I went back to England about 1993 ish, It felt slightly foreign to me.
Never, not in a million years. I'm Welsh who holds Australian citizenship, and not "Welsh Australian", the same as I have never been "Welsh Irish" ( mum is Irish - I feel as much Irish as I do Australian - zilch. You can not blow with the wind if you really do feel what true nationality is) . Some people putting on a fake identities just don't cut it with me, I just feel sorry for them.
Can you give me 5 identity traits, that are exclusive to Welsh people that Aussies dont have, Besides accent.
Reason I ask, The reason I fell Australian now, is probably because I've spent more than half my life here, I would call it acclimatising more like Assimilating. I have assimilated into the local culture and feel of the place, A slow gradual process which comes naturaly, To fight against assimilation is probably unnatural.
Wonder what the shrinks would say ?
Like another poster before me said, Last time I went back to England about 1993 ish, It felt slightly foreign to me.
you are missing the point of my meaning, it is not about traits . Many Australians feel the same about their land, as too NZ's , English, Irish, Scots etc etc feel about theirs. Then you get many people from the same lands who try so hard to be a part of that, and just have no true meaning what it is.
Now This is really to hard to explain. And you either get it or you don't.
you either have that in your heart - almost like a burning knife
you don't blow with the wind, you don't adopt something, ie go looking for it, and just pick it up and put it in your pocket.. just like that
Hiraeth
cheers
edit , Does Australia feel foreign to me ? No, it just feels like any other country to me, in which I'm residing in. It is not my country. Never will be.
Last edited by Ceri; Feb 23rd 2005 at 2:59 pm.
#45
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Re: How long before one feels "Australian"
Originally Posted by Superior
Hey! You're the one who said it, that Australia will never feel like home.
"Hey!"
it's quite catchy tune when you say enough "hey's" lol