is the grass really greener?
Feb 28th 2007 | 6:56 am
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Re: is the grass really greener?
Hi Ally
My Mum was born in Australia - Adelaide (her family emigrated, had her and moved back when she was 12) so she has no probs getting in. My Dad is a surveyor so can get in and my brother is hoping to go as a family member. My husband is a welder so no probs there either. I think you are right with this, now would be the time to go. My mum has always wanted to go back and just keeps wondering what it would be like to live there.
As for why England is so rubbish, well all the things listed: government, chavves, weather, SAT's and school league tables, OfSTED (all the annoying things in a teacher's life) crime, shootings, muggings angry people in general. Fear lies in walking out of your house, who knows if you'll make it back without someone random person randomly shooting you or trying to blow you up!
Rachael.
My Mum was born in Australia - Adelaide (her family emigrated, had her and moved back when she was 12) so she has no probs getting in. My Dad is a surveyor so can get in and my brother is hoping to go as a family member. My husband is a welder so no probs there either. I think you are right with this, now would be the time to go. My mum has always wanted to go back and just keeps wondering what it would be like to live there.
As for why England is so rubbish, well all the things listed: government, chavves, weather, SAT's and school league tables, OfSTED (all the annoying things in a teacher's life) crime, shootings, muggings angry people in general. Fear lies in walking out of your house, who knows if you'll make it back without someone random person randomly shooting you or trying to blow you up!
Rachael.
You are so fortunate to be able to take your family with you. If i was in that situation i really wouldn't hesitate. I know what you mean about the crime in this country, i do worry about when my children get older and want to go clubbing/drinking with their mates - will they come home? - as the trouble out on the streets is just ridiculous. Go for it and good luck!
Allison
Feb 28th 2007 | 7:01 am
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Re: is the grass really greener?
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Good luck with what ever you decide, take comments posted by people here who seem to be more interested in slagging each other rather than helping answer your question off with a pinch of salt (adds to the amusement) and make up your mind based on everything you read... research as much as you can, and if possible go for a holiday before.
Cheers
Chris
Good luck with what ever you decide, take comments posted by people here who seem to be more interested in slagging each other rather than helping answer your question off with a pinch of salt (adds to the amusement) and make up your mind based on everything you read... research as much as you can, and if possible go for a holiday before.
Cheers
Chris
I don't want abuse or comments about this, just suggesting it would be more productive.
Rachael.
[/QUOTE]Here here! I asked what i thought was a reasonable question hoping to get some informed opinions - which i think the majority are and i really appreciate them and respect everyones opinions - thank you - but i think it started to get slightly out of hand along the way. Please don't spoil it for the majority of us who are trying to help each other out! Thanks
Allison
Feb 28th 2007 | 8:23 am
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Re: is the grass really greener?
Actually, if you ever bothered to leave the 'moving back' forum other than than to go on one-man crusades against us filthy stinking Oz-lovers, you'd know that wasn't the case. I realise that facts are in short supply in that parallel dimension you seem to inhabit, but even a cursory browse through the threads on this forum will find countless examples of people who get 'same shit shinier bucket' chanted to them ad nauseum if they suggest they're leaving the UK because Oz is somehow 'better'. Nobody was 'put down' because they wanted to give somewhere else 'a go' - they were merely asked how they could possibly know the grass was greener when they hadn't even peered over the fence.
Feb 28th 2007 | 8:25 am
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Re: is the grass really greener?
Thanks Ally
Am very close to making the right decision I feel. Australia really does seem like a better place to bring up children and now would be the best time to go.
This has been a very helpful thread to read. Thank you for starting it. I wish you every success with your application and you never know, might meet in Adelaide some day. I know you were thinking of living there. A good forum is www.pomsinadelaide.com the people on here are so helpful and friendly and it is slightly smaller and specific to Adelaide. A good website is: www.adelaidebound.com.
Rachael.
Am very close to making the right decision I feel. Australia really does seem like a better place to bring up children and now would be the best time to go.
This has been a very helpful thread to read. Thank you for starting it. I wish you every success with your application and you never know, might meet in Adelaide some day. I know you were thinking of living there. A good forum is www.pomsinadelaide.com the people on here are so helpful and friendly and it is slightly smaller and specific to Adelaide. A good website is: www.adelaidebound.com.
Rachael.
Feb 28th 2007 | 8:31 am
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Re: is the grass really greener?
Hi Ally
OH is currently searching the web sites and government sites applying for loads of jobs in IT Project Management, (has been doing so for a week) so far no responses but early days yet, I too am worried about the IT job situation from what people are posting on the sites, seems to be who you know not what you know market in Oz from what they are saying. Also we know that wages will be a lot lower that over here so just seeing what is around at moment, obviously as he is the only one that works he will need to earn a decent amount of money. Have been told Singapore Airlines are the best to use so we will be using them next time. As I said on my previous post Gold Coast Queensland was not for us as I didn't like the humidity and some other things and Sydney was just to much like London for my liking and too expensive for housing for us. Hope this helps. Good luck. Corinne
OH is currently searching the web sites and government sites applying for loads of jobs in IT Project Management, (has been doing so for a week) so far no responses but early days yet, I too am worried about the IT job situation from what people are posting on the sites, seems to be who you know not what you know market in Oz from what they are saying. Also we know that wages will be a lot lower that over here so just seeing what is around at moment, obviously as he is the only one that works he will need to earn a decent amount of money. Have been told Singapore Airlines are the best to use so we will be using them next time. As I said on my previous post Gold Coast Queensland was not for us as I didn't like the humidity and some other things and Sydney was just to much like London for my liking and too expensive for housing for us. Hope this helps. Good luck. Corinne
Good luck to your OH with his job hunting, I'm sure he'll not have too many problems with Project Man skills. Thanks for the info on the flights, i'm glad i mentioned it as so many people have been really reassuring and have completely put my mind at rest - so that's one less thing to worry about! I too am a bit concerned about the humidity in GC - eventhough we like what we have seen of this area i don't think we could cope with it being too humid. So i think we will end up looking at Adelaide, Melbourne maybe. Thanks so much for your responses. Good luck.
Allison
Feb 28th 2007 | 9:00 am
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Re: is the grass really greener?
Adelaide is waay hotter than Perth, no breezes, my husband grew up there, I have family there. Please don't go to Adelaide
Feb 28th 2007 | 9:09 am
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Re: is the grass really greener?
I think the Uk is going the same way as Australia - look on findaproperty.co.uk and alot of affordable family homes are new bulds on estates....that grade listed farmhouse in the countryside in a village is not on every corner.(!)
Feb 28th 2007 | 9:09 am
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Re: is the grass really greener?
This is very confusing.
Is there anywhere on earth that is ideal?!!!!!
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Feb 28th 2007 | 9:17 am
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Re: is the grass really greener?
Adelaide is in a natural basin, nowhere is perfect, but please research this a bit more.
Feb 28th 2007 | 9:27 am
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Re: is the grass really greener?
You are so fortunate to be able to take your family with you. If i was in that situation i really wouldn't hesitate. I know what you mean about the crime in this country, i do worry about when my children get older and want to go clubbing/drinking with their mates - will they come home? - as the trouble out on the streets is just ridiculous. Go for it and good luck!
Allison
Allison
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...?from=storylhs
Feb 28th 2007 | 9:34 am
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Re: is the grass really greener?
I hope you aren't expecting your children to be able to go anywhere by themselves here either while they are under 10-12 and as for going to Night-clubs
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...?from=storylhs
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...?from=storylhs
Some of us just think that there must be somewhere better, we long for a change. The chance to follow a dream. It's a big decision we need support with. If it's safe to let children out alone at 10-12 then that's much safer than England. Mine would be 18 before they left the house alone.
Rachael.
Feb 28th 2007 | 9:40 am
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Re: is the grass really greener?
I have family in Adelaide who never complain about there being 'no breeze'! There was plenty of 'breeze' when I was there a few years ago. Many say the weather is not much different to England except hotter in summer. Its nearer the south pole, it can't be that hot! not as hot as Darwin and areas around there which are very humid. Temperatures in winter are not unlike mild days in England, warm jumpers are needed in winter still.
This is very confusing.
Is there anywhere on earth that is ideal?!!!!!
Rachael
This is very confusing.
Is there anywhere on earth that is ideal?!!!!!
Rachael
It's actually on approximately the same latitude (and proximity to desert) as Tripoli, in Libya. Now, you couldn't describe Tripoli as being close to the North Pole and having weather 'not much different to England', would you?
Feb 28th 2007 | 9:42 am
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I hope you aren't expecting your children to be able to go anywhere by themselves here either while they are under 10-12 and as for going to Night-clubs
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...?from=storylhs
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...?from=storylhs
Feb 28th 2007 | 9:53 am
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Re: is the grass really greener?
geez, people pick apart every sentence, I said go anywhere under 10-12 alone, i.e. the park, walk to school. Sorry I forgot to spell it out. I then said AS FOR clubbing
I am just saying please don't have your blinker's on.
I guess it comes back to, try it, see for yourself. I long for a change too, but I do have my eye's open. I want the small flat (low maintenance, not a slave to the garden, and the dust), the close community, the atmosphere of a vibrant city with all it's problems.
I may be back in five years - to Tassie next time - but I will have seen the world in those five years.
I am just saying please don't have your blinker's on.
I guess it comes back to, try it, see for yourself. I long for a change too, but I do have my eye's open. I want the small flat (low maintenance, not a slave to the garden, and the dust), the close community, the atmosphere of a vibrant city with all it's problems.
I may be back in five years - to Tassie next time - but I will have seen the world in those five years.
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Feb 28th 2007 | 5:55 pm
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Re: is the grass really greener?
As for why England is so rubbish, well all the things listed: government, chavves, weather, SAT's and school league tables, OfSTED (all the annoying things in a teacher's life) crime, shootings, muggings angry people in general. Fear lies in walking out of your house, who knows if you'll make it back without someone random person randomly shooting you or trying to blow you up!
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My children, when they were 10-12 ish were able to walk to friends or school alone because that was the sort of area we lived in. Just as not ALL Australia is fantastic and wonderful, Britain is not ALL muggings, rape and angry people with guns.
The worst thing that has happened to us happened here, not the UK. We still love the place but we never hated the UK.
The grass may be greener if you are being pulled to Australia. It won't be greener if you are being pushed from the UK.
