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Old Aug 11th 2010 | 12:08 pm
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Originally Posted by Smartinis
I agree and don't forget it also means that you can't be an organ donor either.
I'm allowed to be a bone marrow donor here in Australia. They don't allow you to join the Australian bone marrow register as a new donor but they do allow you to transfer your membership if you were already a member in the UK.

A couple of years back I was a partial match for some dude in Vic and I had to go for further testing but unfortunately the bloke died before I could go through the with the full process.
 
Old Aug 11th 2010 | 12:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Smartinis
I agree and don't forget it also means that you can't be an organ donor either.
It doesn't necessarily mean you can't be an organ donor:

Organ Donation Myth Busting

Myth:
I lived in the UK during 'mad cow disease' so I can not be a donor
Reality:
You may still be able to donate your organs and some tissues.
 
Old Aug 11th 2010 | 1:00 pm
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Originally Posted by Smartinis
I agree and don't forget it also means that you can't be an organ donor either. I think its really sad and more people will die from this is the end than ever run the risk of CJD. If they are so paranoid they should realise that you wouldn't have had to have been in the UK for 6 months to contract it anyway if thats their argument, according to facts one dodgy hamburger at Maccas would have done it, so it really should rule out everyone from Oz that travelled to UK, which considering the high number of Brits here is probably a huge part of the population!!!
With risk management you have to play with frequencies and likelihoods. Nothing is absolute. That's why you have artificial numbers on these things.
 
Old Aug 11th 2010 | 1:01 pm
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Originally Posted by MartinLuther
With risk management you have to play with frequencies and likelihoods. Nothing is absolute. That's why you have artificial numbers on these things.
If the risk of so-called vCJD concerns people it is surprising they allow any blood to be donated - ever.
 
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Originally Posted by JAJ
There is no substantiated risk at all and the whole so-called "vCJD" scare is one of many that have been blown totally out of proportion.
That's one opinion.
 
Old Aug 11th 2010 | 1:15 pm
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Originally Posted by MartinLuther
Just out of interest. If they came to you in hospital and asked "Are you okay to accept blood that has a higher risk of CJD infection?". Would you sign the form?
Hmmm. So the choices are:

1. Take the blood, with a remote and statistically unproven chance that you may possibly develop vCJD at some point in the distant future; or

2. Die.

Hmmm. That's a tough one...


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Originally Posted by Swerv-o
Hmmm. So the choices are:

1. Take the blood, with a remote and statistically unproven chance that you may possibly develop vCJD at some point in the distant future; or

2. Die.

Hmmm. That's a tough one...


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Why not take the other blood?
 
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Originally Posted by MartinLuther
Why not take the other blood?

but say there isn't any?


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Originally Posted by Swerv-o
but say there isn't any?


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Then that to a degree represents the situation faced by the UK blood service but doesn't represent the situation faced by the Aus blood service.

Hence the different outcomes.

So to elaborate my original question.

Given the choice between, blood that has a [maybe] remote and [maybe] statistically unproven chance that you may possibly develop vCJD at some point in the distant future; or blood that doesn't which would you sign up to?
 
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Originally Posted by MartinLuther
Given the choice between, blood that has a [maybe] remote and [maybe] statistically unproven chance that you may possibly develop vCJD at some point in the distant future; or blood that doesn't which would you sign up to?
So why not then eliminate all the other "maybe remote and statistically unproven chances"?
 
Old Aug 11th 2010 | 3:24 pm
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[QUOTE=MartinLuther;

Just out of interest. If they came to you in hospital and asked "Are you okay to accept blood that has a higher risk of CJD infection?". Would you sign the form?[/QUOTE]

It would be no higher riskthan if i was back in the uk. You dont get the option over there, and the main reason for not being alloud to give blood over there is tatoos and peircings. So yeah i think i would accept it.
 
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Originally Posted by Dreamy
It doesn't necessarily mean you can't be an organ donor:

Organ Donation Myth Busting
I think you can donate the cornea of the eye because it doesn't have a blood supply so is considered safe but I think when push come to shove that is about it. Anything that will mean a transfer of any blood will be refused, at least that is what I was told by my doctor when I asked. But he may be wrong.
 
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Since Australia changed the rules so that the British can't donate blood or other products if they lived in the UK in that time period, donations here dropped. Red Cross told me it's because the British migrants take the trouble to donate as they're used to doing it and are more community-minded, but less Australian-born residents can be bothered, perhaps a downside of the more laid-back lifestyle and culture is a "can't be stuffed" attitude.
 
Old Aug 11th 2010 | 4:23 pm
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Originally Posted by JAJ
So why not then eliminate all the other "maybe remote and statistically unproven chances"?
Risk management. That's why they've eliminated some (e.g. man on man sex) and not others (man on woman sex - although the UK does eliminate some man on woman sex and not others).

Or to pose your question another way why have they eliminated any?

Come on folks, reductio ad absurdum! It's not big and it's not clever.
 
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Originally Posted by HelenTD
Since Australia changed the rules so that the British can't donate blood or other products if they lived in the UK in that time period, donations here dropped. Red Cross told me it's because the British migrants take the trouble to donate as they're used to doing it and are more community-minded, but less Australian-born residents can be bothered, perhaps a downside of the more laid-back lifestyle and culture is a "can't be stuffed" attitude.
Note that the rules apply to everyone. Not just the British.
 


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