Future for kids in Oz v UK
#17
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Re: Future for kids in Oz v UK
The Tories, under Keith Joseph as secretary for education, created universities fromthe old polytechnics and that was the start of the current trend.
#18
Re: Future for kids in Oz v UK
We can lay this turd squarely on Labour's doorstep. Another totally failed piece of social engineering that has harmed most those it sought to assist.
#19
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Re: Future for kids in Oz v UK
The Tories stopped using the word "polytechnic" in 1992, and all this meant was that they could call themselves universities and give their own quals away. It did not encourage half - literally - half the young people in the country to go to university.
We can lay this turd squarely on Labour's doorstep. Another totally failed piece of social engineering that has harmed most those it sought to assist.
We can lay this turd squarely on Labour's doorstep. Another totally failed piece of social engineering that has harmed most those it sought to assist.
#20
Re: Future for kids in Oz v UK
They do, but we don't have anywhere near the economic problems the UK has. As the UK has moved from a manufacturing to a service based economy, university has become a rite of passage for the young. It's been university for all at any cost - hence the boom in worthless degrees. Jobs that used to require a high school education, now require a degree. What's the point of a degree if you are going to do a school leavers job?
A stat from my UK institute, the IET (formerly the IEE):
Number of UK electrical engineering graduates per year - less than 100
Number of German electrical engineering graduates per year - approx. 5000
A stat from my UK institute, the IET (formerly the IEE):
Number of UK electrical engineering graduates per year - less than 100
Number of German electrical engineering graduates per year - approx. 5000
#21
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Re: Future for kids in Oz v UK
They do, but we don't have anywhere near the economic problems the UK has. As the UK has moved from a manufacturing to a service based economy, university has become a rite of passage for the young. It's been university for all at any cost - hence the boom in worthless degrees. Jobs that used to require a high school education, now require a degree. What's the point of a degree if you are going to do a school leavers job?
A stat from my UK institute, the IET (formerly the IEE):
Number of UK electrical engineering graduates per year - less than 100
Number of German electrical engineering graduates per year - approx. 5000
A stat from my UK institute, the IET (formerly the IEE):
Number of UK electrical engineering graduates per year - less than 100
Number of German electrical engineering graduates per year - approx. 5000
#24
Re: Future for kids in Oz v UK
Do you think that the future for children seems better in Oz than in the UK. With the university tuition fees set to rise dramatically potentially £7000 per year and there being massive difficulty in school leavers/graduates finding jobs, it's hard to see a future for our kids here. Our dream of living a cushie life in Oz is now dead (in fact our dream per se looks dead), but given the crushingly bad forecasts for our future here, do you think it's wise to bail? Our kids are 6 and 9 so we are a way of looking for jobs etc being a problem, but this is being termed the "unlucky generation" which suggests that this isn't a 3/4 year problem.
Most migrants - including those from the United Kingdom - have had to work hard to build lives in Australia. Those that haven't, mainly when house prices and exchange rate aligned a certain way, have been very much the exception not the rule. If your mindset is not focused towards hard work, then perhaps migration is not the best option for you.
#25
Re: Future for kids in Oz v UK
A "cushie life in Oz?"
Most migrants - including those from the United Kingdom - have had to work hard to build lives in Australia. Those that haven't, mainly when house prices and exchange rate aligned a certain way, have been very much the exception not the rule. If your mindset is not focused towards hard work, then perhaps migration is not the best option for you.
Most migrants - including those from the United Kingdom - have had to work hard to build lives in Australia. Those that haven't, mainly when house prices and exchange rate aligned a certain way, have been very much the exception not the rule. If your mindset is not focused towards hard work, then perhaps migration is not the best option for you.
It will be the exact reverse in another generation's time.
#26
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Re: Future for kids in Oz v UK
Your Children are so young... Why are you worrying about Uni???
I have 2 young Children & the most important thing I worry about is that they ENJOY every moment of their Aussie Childhood.
I have 2 young Children & the most important thing I worry about is that they ENJOY every moment of their Aussie Childhood.
#27
Re: Future for kids in Oz v UK
The ETB report ‘Engineering UK 2007’3 reveals that Electronic and Electrical Engineering degrees saw a 45 per cent decline in UK acceptances of places to 2,824 between 2002 and 2006, and that only one third of recent graduates in this discipline move on to professional engineering careers. More recent UCAS4 data show a continued decline in UK acceptances to 2,689 for 2008
can't be arsed to spend all night looking into this but I also came across this, which suggests to me that Loughborough University alone graduates around 100 electrical/electronic engineers per year (Fig 2). Or are you saying that 90% of them are foreigners?
#28
Re: Future for kids in Oz v UK
To original question, the future of and quality of life the kids will have will depend more on their upbringing and their own personality than what country they are in.
#29
Re: Future for kids in Oz v UK
I found that very hard to believe, since there must be dozens of UK institutions offering degrees in electrical engineering. Is each one only graduating 2-3 students each year? While googling I came across this, which, while not exactly rosy, implies that the number of elec eng graduates in Britain must be a damn sight higher than under 100 per year:
The ETB report ‘Engineering UK 2007’3 reveals that Electronic and Electrical Engineering degrees saw a 45 per cent decline in UK acceptances of places to 2,824 between 2002 and 2006, and that only one third of recent graduates in this discipline move on to professional engineering careers. More recent UCAS4 data show a continued decline in UK acceptances to 2,689 for 2008
can't be arsed to spend all night looking into this but I also came across this, which suggests to me that Loughborough University alone graduates around 100 electrical/electronic engineers per year (Fig 2). Or are you saying that 90% of them are foreigners?
The ETB report ‘Engineering UK 2007’3 reveals that Electronic and Electrical Engineering degrees saw a 45 per cent decline in UK acceptances of places to 2,824 between 2002 and 2006, and that only one third of recent graduates in this discipline move on to professional engineering careers. More recent UCAS4 data show a continued decline in UK acceptances to 2,689 for 2008
can't be arsed to spend all night looking into this but I also came across this, which suggests to me that Loughborough University alone graduates around 100 electrical/electronic engineers per year (Fig 2). Or are you saying that 90% of them are foreigners?
The figure I quoted was from an issue of my IET magazine - so I will have to take their word for it. The IET (IEE) is one of the most prestigious and reliable engineering institutes in the world - the lack of engineering graduates and skills in the UK is a big issue for them and they write a lot about it.