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Old May 19th 2006 | 7:03 pm
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Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
Most large supermarkets and department stores reserve the right to check your bags (at their discretion) when you leave. The purpose of this precaution is to reduce the risk of shoplifting - a crime which was costing Australian businesses $810 million per year during 2001 (source) and is no doubt costing even more today.

Shoplifting is a particularly irritating crime because its effects are immediately passed on to the consumer, as businesses are forced to raise their prices in order to recoup their losses.

In the UK, they use CCTV - to such an extent that British people are now the most CCTV-surveyed people in the entire world. There are 500,000 CCTV cameras in London alone (source.)

In Australia, they use bag searches (which are enforced at the shop's discretion) and store detectives.

In both countries, they scan your body and hand luggage before you board a plane.

IMHO it's six of one, half a dozen of the other - and it honestly doesn't bother me in the slightest.
Well said!!

I think bag checking is very responsible and it really doesn't bother me either. People are always nice about asking so that's the main thing.
I've never been short changed here so not sure what all that's about.

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Old May 19th 2006 | 7:03 pm
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Originally Posted by Pollyana
Not sure what roast llama tastes like........? :scared:
Bet he has a lovely cardigan though.
 
Old May 19th 2006 | 7:20 pm
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Originally Posted by arkon
As for paying all your bills, I'd swap my Oz ones for the UK anyday. My water is $600+ my electric $800+ then theres rates and for me rural rates too, the list goes on so don't be leaving the real gods country for smaller bills.
arkon, with all due respect, this is a simply ridiculous comparison to make. You're sitting on a 55-acre farm. Obviously it's going to cost a hell of a lot more to run than a 3x2 detached in Solihull, a 3x1 semi in Handsworth, or a 2x1 terrace house in Walsall.

99.9% of people on this forum will not be buying a property like yours, so for practical purposes your costs are totally irrelavant to the rest of us and can therefore be safely ignored.

Why you even thought that they'd be somehow applicable to other people on BEP in the first place, I'll never know.

BTW, the council tax that my wife and I currently pay for our 2x1 semi in the Black Country is more than double the amount that I paid for council rates on a 2x1 detached bungalow on a quarter acre block in suburban Western Australia.
 
Old May 19th 2006 | 7:27 pm
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Originally Posted by phoenixinoz
Reading between the lines and through all the emotion, it's not just about whinging about the cost of bananas

The point being made is....if the prices are too high, who exactly benefits? It sure aint the banana growers or the consumers.

If the prices are too high, no one buys the banana's so farmers have surplus stock. And people will eat other types of *affordable* fruit instead. Whereas if the prices for banana's were affordable, then people would buy them and the farmers would sell.

It's all about the laws of supply and demand and the substitutional effect.

Cyclone or no cyclone, everything has it's price

Personally, sod the banana's. I'd have these instead
Absolutely spot on post! I have stopped buying bananas and now buy fruit that is more affordable,eg I bought a kilo of grapes for just under $3 and watermelon the other day @ 48c a kilo and some small sweet apples @ $1.50 a kilo.

I love bananas, but yep sod 'em at that price. My banana money is going to buy me a few of those tonight as well
 
Old May 19th 2006 | 7:32 pm
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Originally Posted by sunshinesarah
Well said!!

I think bag checking is very responsible and it really doesn't bother me either. People are always nice about asking so that's the main thing.
Thanks mate, I agree. I think attitude has a lot to do with it. People understand that they're doing something that's quite invasive, so they usually do their best to make you feel comfortable about it.

The security guard at Clearance Bargains is a jolly nice chap and always has a friendly smile for the punters, even when he's asking for their receipt and checking the goods they've just bought. I think that makes a world of difference.

I've never been short changed here so not sure what all that's about.

Sunshine Sarah
I've only had it happen to me once, in a bottle shop about twelve years ago. The changeover was so slick that I didn't realise until I was outside and putting the change back in my wallet.

I had paid with a $50, and suddenly found myself $20 down.

I walked straight back into the shop and calmly pointed out that I had been given the wrong change. The guy must have known that I'd caught him out, because he was still standing at the counter with my $20 in his hand; he had been watching me as I walked a way, just to see if I'd realise I'd been gypped.

When I walked back in, he started talking immediately - so I knew that he knew why I was coming back. He was all bluff and bluster as he tried to reassure me that it was an honest mistake. But let's face it; if you already knew it was a mistake, why would you stand at the counter with an extra $20 in your hand, instead of running after the customer and catching them to return the money?

Dodgy bastard. I never went into that bottle shop again.
 
Old May 19th 2006 | 7:36 pm
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Originally Posted by Pollyana
Not sure what roast llama tastes like........? :scared:
LOL!

Still, arkon could have grown fruit and veg if he'd wanted to. He had all the necessary farming equipment and acres of remarkably fertile land.
 
Old May 19th 2006 | 7:42 pm
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Originally Posted by sunshinesarah
I think bag checking is very responsible and it really doesn't bother me either. People are always nice about asking so that's the main thing.
I've never been short changed here so not sure what all that's about.

Sunshine Sarah
Bag checking can become very annoying if someone (like one new guy who didn't know me and had a bit of an attitude problem) makes you go through the procedure everytime or most times you shop there. Fortuantely most retailers are sensible and keep it as a random thing.

This idiot I just referred to, was even told by other staff at the bottle shop that I was a regular customer and had been for some years. Anyway this guy, if you can believe this, asked me on one occaision, to open my bag as I was just outside the door (I hadn't bought anything, I had just been browsing with a mind to see what was on special for the weekend).

Anyway as my bag was empty, I tossed it too him. He still demanded I open it even though there was obviously nothing in it, no cans or bottles, which would of course been noticeable by their shape and weight. My conclusion was he was just being a prick.

As for short changing, this does happen from time to time, but what's even more a problem here it seems, is goods scanning at the wrong prices (around 13% of the time it has been estimated. So make sure you watch the scanner and double check the docket for any discrepancies.
 
Old May 19th 2006 | 7:50 pm
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Originally Posted by Ozzidoc
I've not read all of the replies, so this may have been raised already....

I see that here in the UK a lot of fruit (and veg) is imported from countries where the wages and costs of production are wayyyyyyy lower....

Is this the same in Oz? I imagine that due to the climate, probably less so. Also, are protectionism mechanisms (import tariffs) still in place? I imagine that they are gone?

Despite lower food standards in some other countries, more cheap imported vegetables than ever have flooded into Australia in the last two years:

* frozen vegetable mixes have shot up 90 per cent,
* processed potatoes up 150 per cent,
* capsicum a 75 per cent increase.
* Garlic - now 95 per cent in our shops is imported - mostly from China;
* asparagus, around 50 per cent is imported,
* green peas 25 per cent,
* onions and shallots from China 20 per cent are imported.

We bring into Australia $100 million worth of imports per year, according to Euan Laird of the Australian Vegetable and Potato Growers' Federation, AusVeg.
Source.

According to this article, Australia's import tariffs are pretty low - certainly much lower than those of the US and many other nations:

In other words, it seems that the propensity to import increases with the level of the tariff.

The reasons which explain this apparent paradox differ of course between countries.

In the case of Australia, the association of a minimal level of tariffs with a low import per capita is probably due to a competitive, low cost domestic agricultural production which can avoid - also thanks to the support of a good deal of non-tariff barriers (e.g. high quality standards) - any significant imports without the need of using tariffs.
Put simply, Australia's import tariffs are very low (this guy refers to them as "minimal") but they can afford to be, since Australia's imports are relatively low when considered against other nations of comparable size.

He points out that this is due to two main factors: (a) high quality control, and (b) competitive, low cost agricultural production of essentials that would otherwise be imported on a large scale.

Australia doesn't have high tariffs because she doesn't need them; her strict quality standards ensure that only the best fruit and veg are allowed to enter the country.

By contrast, the USA is one of the most protectionist nations on the face of the planet; Australian products are hit with tariffs as high as 30% (source) when they reach Stateside!

Has the cost of chicken been mentioned anywhere? I always think that it's amazing that UK supermarkets pay one pence for a whole chicken from South America (un/processed? no idea) yet sell them for a mark-up of a gazillian. Dont know if Oz does the same.
No idea about the state of chickens.
 
Old May 19th 2006 | 8:06 pm
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Australia doesn't have high tariffs because she doesn't need them; her strict quality standards ensure that only the best fruit and veg are allowed to enter the country.
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Have to dispute this. It's been adequately documented that many imported fruit and veges (especially from China) contain chemical agents not allowed to be used by Aussie fruit and vege growers. Also some Chinese produce is grown using human faeces as a form of manure. Chinese garlic, is bleached to get it's white appearance.

Great isn't it? I just wish our garlic growers could commercially produce their excellent and tasty produce all year round
 
Old May 19th 2006 | 8:17 pm
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Have to dispute this. It's been adequately documented that many imported fruit and veges (especially from China) contain chemical agents not allowed to be used by Aussie fruit and vege growers. Also some Chinese produce is grown using human faeces as a form of manure. Chinese garlic, is bleached to get it's white appearance.
Quality control isn't the same as chemical testing; it's more to do with diseases, freshness and taste.

It is a well-known (and greatly resented) that foreign imports aren't subjected to the same restrictions as locally-grown food in that regard; if a product's chemicals and growing methods can't be shown to have a detrimental effect on human health, the product is usually allowed to enter the country. I wish it wasn't so, but it is.

Still, it helps to keep the "Australia is a protectionist backwater" mob off our backs, so at least there's some benefit.

Great isn't it? I just wish our garlic growers could commercially produce their excellent and tasty produce all year round
Yes.
 
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Originally Posted by arkon
Firstly Banana’s 64p a kilo in Tesco and the locals tell me $10 per Kilo now so I went to wollies to check and guess what? They have no Banana’s! A quick ask around revealed that noone was paying the $10 per kilo so they pulled them from the shelves!! I’m all for helping the farmers seeing as I am now one but as farmers still get the same per kilo as pre cyclone I am left wondering how this petty minded place thinks charging $10 is going to help anyone.

Do you not know that the British Government has been subsidising the growers of bananas in the countries we get them from in the form of compensation for the slave trade?
The EU also pays banana subsidies ....
http://agritrade.cta.int/bananas/executive_brief.htm
Some info there.

Australia doesn't subsidise it's banana growers as far as I know, although I may be wrong.

This is why bananas cost so little in the UK.

I don't know about the grapes, but aren't you in Queensland, Arkon? If you are, you could always buy a couple of banana trees yourself. I don't think grapes would grow too well there though .

 
Old May 19th 2006 | 8:47 pm
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Quality control isn't the same as chemical testing; it's more to do with diseases, freshness and taste.
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Technically you may be correct, but in the minds of the vast majority of everyday consumers I would suggest that "quality control" would include the methods of production and pesticides and other agents used.

We are a simple people Vash. We watch Ray Martin for goodnessake
 
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Australia doesn't subsidise it's banana growers as far as I know, although I may be wrong.
No, Australia doesn't subsidise her banana growers.

Nor does she subsidise her farmers (unlike the UK, the USA, France, and many other nations.)

Nor does she subsidise her airlines (unlike the USA, Malaysia, and many other nations.) The UK effectively subsidises her airlines by exempting them from tax on aircraft fuel (source.)

By contrast, airlines in Australia (whether foreign or local) pay a government excise on their fuel. This helps to explain why British airlines are able to offer cheaper fares; they're being subsidised by the government to the tune of £9.2 billion a year - with taxpayers' money picking up the slack.

While many things are certainly more expensive in Australia as a result of higher production costs and wages, we can at least take pride in the fact that our industries and businesses survive on their own merits, without the constant stream of taxpayer-funded government handouts that you find elsewhere in the world.

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Technically you may be correct, but in the minds of the vast majority of everyday consumers I would suggest that "quality control" would include the methods of production and pesticides and other agents used.
It's a common misconception.

We are a simple people Vash. We watch Ray Martin for goodnessake
LOL!

That's karma-worthy!

But...

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Toppa again.

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Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede

While many things are certainly more expensive in Australia as a result of higher production costs and wages, we can at least take pride in the fact that our industries and businesses survive on their own merits, without the constant stream of taxpayer-funded government handouts that you find elsewhere in the world.
Absolutely Vash. I realise bananas are expensive here, so I just don't buy as many. I can't understand the moaning about it tbh. I'd grow some if I was in Queensland, but I'm not.... so I'll grow my own veggies and apples instead.

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I'll send him some for you.
 


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