Ex Holden Commodore
Jul 17th 2003, 11:35 pm
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Re: Ex Holden Commodore
Originally posted by mr mover
so what caused the fire ?...........
MM
so what caused the fire ?...........
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Jul 18th 2003, 3:30 am
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Being the proud owner of one Holden Commodore, circa 2000, 100,000km, I am obliged to respond to this tirade. We have never had a problem with ours, and it has never broken down. The age and mileage have ensured that it has depreciated down to about zero, so when I trade it in, whatever I get will be a bonus.
Given their abundance, parts and servicing is cheap, and we can get about 800km out a 50 litre tank on a long drive. Not perhaps the best commuting vehicle ever built, but comfortable with plenty of room for a family.
As far as who owns/builds them. I couldn’t give a stuff. Oz has a free(ish) market and given the local Asian competition, it is wonder you see anything other than Toyotas, Mitsubishis, Hondas, Subarus etc on the roads.
:lecture:
Given their abundance, parts and servicing is cheap, and we can get about 800km out a 50 litre tank on a long drive. Not perhaps the best commuting vehicle ever built, but comfortable with plenty of room for a family.
As far as who owns/builds them. I couldn’t give a stuff. Oz has a free(ish) market and given the local Asian competition, it is wonder you see anything other than Toyotas, Mitsubishis, Hondas, Subarus etc on the roads.
:lecture:
Jul 18th 2003, 3:37 am
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Originally posted by dracupg
Being the proud owner of one Holden Commodore, circa 2000, 100,000km, I am obliged to respond to this tirade. We have never had a problem with ours, and it has never broken down. The age and mileage have ensured that it has depreciated down to about zero, so when I trade it in, whatever I get will be a bonus.
Given their abundance, parts and servicing is cheap, and we can get about 800km out a 50 litre tank on a long drive. Not perhaps the best commuting vehicle ever built, but comfortable with plenty of room for a family.
As far as who owns/builds them. I couldn’t give a stuff. Oz has a free(ish) market and given the local Asian competition, it is wonder you see anything other than Toyotas, Mitsubishis,Hondas, Subarus etc on the roads.
:lecture:
Being the proud owner of one Holden Commodore, circa 2000, 100,000km, I am obliged to respond to this tirade. We have never had a problem with ours, and it has never broken down. The age and mileage have ensured that it has depreciated down to about zero, so when I trade it in, whatever I get will be a bonus.
Given their abundance, parts and servicing is cheap, and we can get about 800km out a 50 litre tank on a long drive. Not perhaps the best commuting vehicle ever built, but comfortable with plenty of room for a family.
As far as who owns/builds them. I couldn’t give a stuff. Oz has a free(ish) market and given the local Asian competition, it is wonder you see anything other than Toyotas, Mitsubishis,Hondas, Subarus etc on the roads.
:lecture:
The market here is mostly overseas built cars. companies buy the Falcon and Crapadores not so many private sales of new Crapadores and Falcons, if they stopped buying them the local industry would close down.
There is a tax on imported Car's to protect the local rubbish , car parts in general are expensive compared to the UK
Crapadores and Falcon's drop like a stone in value yours must have hit the bottom.
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Jul 18th 2003, 7:22 am
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In the UK, Vauxhalls depreciate too much. They can only sell to fleet companies, that's why so many company car drivers have them. The Omega loses 80% of it's value over 3 years !. They are too expensive, the new Signum (jumped up Vectra) starts at 16000 about 3000 too much. The only decent model they do is the Zafira (do you get that in Oz ?) MPV.
Jul 18th 2003, 7:44 am
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Originally posted by Amazulu
In the UK, Vauxhalls depreciate too much. They can only sell to fleet companies, that's why so many company car drivers have them. The Omega loses 80% of it's value over 3 years !. They are too expensive, the new Signum (jumped up Vectra) starts at 16000 about 3000 too much. The only decent model they do is the Zafira (do you get that in Oz ?) MPV.
In the UK, Vauxhalls depreciate too much. They can only sell to fleet companies, that's why so many company car drivers have them. The Omega loses 80% of it's value over 3 years !. They are too expensive, the new Signum (jumped up Vectra) starts at 16000 about 3000 too much. The only decent model they do is the Zafira (do you get that in Oz ?) MPV.
GM is the pits I would never buy them , they strike at the company rep and lower end of the market.
Jul 18th 2003, 9:53 am
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The "Revamps"to the Holden Monaro sold in the US were to Pontiac'ise the car to suit the US Pontiac buyer,cosmetic changes mean the car is crap,OK got your line of thought on that one.
Daewoo had Aussie Holden running gear designed and built in Australia,and no the problems with Daewoo wern't with reliability.
The go with British cars here is,escp.with Jaguars,is that you need to buy 2,one to drive whilst the other is in the repair shop.
So the crapodore has failed?Why do the Middle East buyers keep demanding more and more of them?They are also exported to South America.
Just thinking back to the great automobile company from Old Blighty that knew that those backward colonials will flock to their car and admire the quality,Leyland sure lasted long in Australia in the 70's.
Didn't realise that UK had no tariffs on cars from the Continent and O/S?!?
Daewoo had Aussie Holden running gear designed and built in Australia,and no the problems with Daewoo wern't with reliability.
The go with British cars here is,escp.with Jaguars,is that you need to buy 2,one to drive whilst the other is in the repair shop.
So the crapodore has failed?Why do the Middle East buyers keep demanding more and more of them?They are also exported to South America.
Just thinking back to the great automobile company from Old Blighty that knew that those backward colonials will flock to their car and admire the quality,Leyland sure lasted long in Australia in the 70's.
Didn't realise that UK had no tariffs on cars from the Continent and O/S?!?
Jul 18th 2003, 1:13 pm
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Re: Ex Holden Commodore
Originally posted by pommie bastard
The Monaro is a dead duck its had 4 revamps in less than 12 months , the engine is yet again a old Yank job made in Canada.
The Yank union have already put a limit on the amount Holden can export to America , if they sell (some hope) production will move to America.
Holden have never sold a car in America with an Holden badge and this is a first atempt to sell any car there and could be the last.
General Motors Holden Limited was formed in March 1931 and Edward was appointed Chairman and A.N. Lawrence and Holden were Joint Managing Directors. The merger was not a happy one with both management and employees, it became clear that changes had to be made so Lawrence was sent elsewhere with most of his technical staff and Holden would give up the Managing Directorship and a new man who could understand the unique Australian situation and that man was Laurence Hartnett.
Hartnett being British not American was more than likely a contributing factor but the fact he was involved with Vauxhall Motors and Vickers in the U.K as well as for motor companies in India and Singapore was the reason. He took his new position at the head of GM-H in March 1934 and at once overhauled the top brass which helped to put the dealers at ease.
The Government of the day wanted an all Australian built car but the Second World War put paid to any plans for this to happen in the near future and in 1940 the 'Department of Munitions' was established and among some of the leading manufacturing talent Hartnett was made in charge of ordnance (cannon, heavy artillery etc.).
The british Rootes Group which includes Hillman, Humber and Singer decided for the first time to start assembling cars in Australia and built an assembly plant in Fisherman's Bend just down the road from GM-H. Hartnett remembered being told of a prototype in America of a Chevrolet code named 195-Y-15 which was close to what Hartnett decided was th the Australian requirement and would reduce the launch date by about two years. In September 1945 a full scale clay model was finished and approved and the USA designers did the final plans to what was essentially a 195-Y-15 prototype. August 1946 saw the first fully functional model of the car and was tested before shipping to Australia for evaluation. In Australia however Hartnett was working on there own design called 'Project 2000' which vaguely resembled a Humber/Hillman/Singer but were forced to accept the American design. Late in 1946 Hartnett was ordered to a position in head office in New York and Harold Bettle took over the reins, the reason, although not confirmed was the closeness of Hartnett with what was seen as a socialist government and the American capitalist giantdid not want to be associated with socialists.
http://holden.itgo.com/history.html
The Monaro is a dead duck its had 4 revamps in less than 12 months , the engine is yet again a old Yank job made in Canada.
The Yank union have already put a limit on the amount Holden can export to America , if they sell (some hope) production will move to America.
Holden have never sold a car in America with an Holden badge and this is a first atempt to sell any car there and could be the last.
General Motors Holden Limited was formed in March 1931 and Edward was appointed Chairman and A.N. Lawrence and Holden were Joint Managing Directors. The merger was not a happy one with both management and employees, it became clear that changes had to be made so Lawrence was sent elsewhere with most of his technical staff and Holden would give up the Managing Directorship and a new man who could understand the unique Australian situation and that man was Laurence Hartnett.
Hartnett being British not American was more than likely a contributing factor but the fact he was involved with Vauxhall Motors and Vickers in the U.K as well as for motor companies in India and Singapore was the reason. He took his new position at the head of GM-H in March 1934 and at once overhauled the top brass which helped to put the dealers at ease.
The Government of the day wanted an all Australian built car but the Second World War put paid to any plans for this to happen in the near future and in 1940 the 'Department of Munitions' was established and among some of the leading manufacturing talent Hartnett was made in charge of ordnance (cannon, heavy artillery etc.).
The british Rootes Group which includes Hillman, Humber and Singer decided for the first time to start assembling cars in Australia and built an assembly plant in Fisherman's Bend just down the road from GM-H. Hartnett remembered being told of a prototype in America of a Chevrolet code named 195-Y-15 which was close to what Hartnett decided was th the Australian requirement and would reduce the launch date by about two years. In September 1945 a full scale clay model was finished and approved and the USA designers did the final plans to what was essentially a 195-Y-15 prototype. August 1946 saw the first fully functional model of the car and was tested before shipping to Australia for evaluation. In Australia however Hartnett was working on there own design called 'Project 2000' which vaguely resembled a Humber/Hillman/Singer but were forced to accept the American design. Late in 1946 Hartnett was ordered to a position in head office in New York and Harold Bettle took over the reins, the reason, although not confirmed was the closeness of Hartnett with what was seen as a socialist government and the American capitalist giantdid not want to be associated with socialists.
http://holden.itgo.com/history.html
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Jul 20th 2003, 11:57 pm
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Originally posted by boots
The "Revamps"to the Holden Monaro sold in the US were to Pontiac'ise the car to suit the US Pontiac buyer,cosmetic changes mean the car is crap,OK got your line of thought on that one.
Daewoo had Aussie Holden running gear designed and built in Australia,and no the problems with Daewoo wern't with reliability.
The go with British cars here is,escp.with Jaguars,is that you need to buy 2,one to drive whilst the other is in the repair shop.
So the crapodore has failed?Why do the Middle East buyers keep demanding more and more of them?They are also exported to South America.
Just thinking back to the great automobile company from Old Blighty that knew that those backward colonials will flock to their car and admire the quality,Leyland sure lasted long in Australia in the 70's.
Didn't realise that UK had no tariffs on cars from the Continent and O/S?!?
The "Revamps"to the Holden Monaro sold in the US were to Pontiac'ise the car to suit the US Pontiac buyer,cosmetic changes mean the car is crap,OK got your line of thought on that one.
Daewoo had Aussie Holden running gear designed and built in Australia,and no the problems with Daewoo wern't with reliability.
The go with British cars here is,escp.with Jaguars,is that you need to buy 2,one to drive whilst the other is in the repair shop.
So the crapodore has failed?Why do the Middle East buyers keep demanding more and more of them?They are also exported to South America.
Just thinking back to the great automobile company from Old Blighty that knew that those backward colonials will flock to their car and admire the quality,Leyland sure lasted long in Australia in the 70's.
Didn't realise that UK had no tariffs on cars from the Continent and O/S?!?
I can buy Brit cars here and in most of the World not so Aussie crap .
Australia's total car production for a year equals what America produces in 3 days , and the UK exports far more cars that are made here never mind exported .
Jaguars out sells the Monaro ( we have yet to see any sales figures for the Aussie crap) in America and they export 80% of production world wide , you dream on.
Australia has never designed an engine yet , sorry Orbital tried and failed plus the Middle East buys Aussie shite because they put a Yank label on it not Holden.
These facilities have already helped the UK's south east become the centre of the motor sport world. Even Ferrari and BMW boast car development centres near London, which contribute to the £1.3bn-a-year industry.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1854355.stm
You have little idea about the shite Daewoo got into read on.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1012473.stm
The British car industry is massive compared to the Aussie shed men.
http://www.autoindustry.co.uk/smmt/s...ervices_2.html
Last edited by pommie bastard; Jul 21st 2003 at 12:41 am.
Jul 21st 2003, 12:01 am
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Re: Ex Holden Commodore
Originally posted by mr mover
the LS1 v8 is made in detroit, holdens 3rd shift started last month,to produce, the initial 18,000 monaro,s [of which 2/3rds ] are already sold, the caprice and ute are also contenders for usa sales , {the holden monaro will also be sold in the UKin 2005},no matter how much you hate this the fact s are all over the NET, if you would spend the time to look , as fot the history , in true PB fashion you will alter and contrue this to suit your self......... MM
the LS1 v8 is made in detroit, holdens 3rd shift started last month,to produce, the initial 18,000 monaro,s [of which 2/3rds ] are already sold, the caprice and ute are also contenders for usa sales , {the holden monaro will also be sold in the UKin 2005},no matter how much you hate this the fact s are all over the NET, if you would spend the time to look , as fot the history , in true PB fashion you will alter and contrue this to suit your self.........
MM
Holden's strings are pulled in America not here , by the way I do projects for Holden and your reports are Media bollocks.
Most car factories work 24 hours a day even with your limited marbles does it not say something that Holden here are only just starting to do that?
Before you try again just remember Aussie's talk a big job and do a little one.
PS the GM GEN III V8 is having real problems stay away from it , this imported crap from Canada is very iffy , I know first hand of a company trying to sort out the mess.
The Yanks are not not to keen on Aussie built crap either.
Sure, everyone has an opinion. Bob Lutz, GM vice chairman of production development was the brainchild behind the project to make an Austraian Monaro into a GTO and import it to the USA. Lutz had a chance to see some of the many negative reactions to the car's styling on this web site.
http://www.ultimategto.com/monaro10.htm
Last edited by pommie bastard; Jul 21st 2003 at 6:34 am.
Jul 21st 2003, 12:31 am
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I love my Holder Commodore. Don’t care what anyone thinks! La La La … not listening.
Jul 21st 2003, 12:35 am
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Originally posted by dracupg
I love my Holder Commodore. Don’t care what anyone thinks! La La La … not listening.
I love my Holder Commodore. Don’t care what anyone thinks! La La La … not listening.
Sorry but when you grow up the Crapadore will be last thing on your list , dream of a real motor even the ex-landlady of the OB drives a Jag.
Jul 21st 2003, 12:40 am
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La La La … still not listening
Jul 21st 2003, 12:43 am
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Originally posted by dracupg
La La La … still not listening
La La La … still not listening
Jul 21st 2003, 12:59 am
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Originally posted by boots
The go with British cars here is,escp.with Jaguars,is that you need to buy 2,one to drive whilst the other is in the repair shop.Didn't realise that UK had no tariffs on cars from the Continent and O/S?!?
The go with British cars here is,escp.with Jaguars,is that you need to buy 2,one to drive whilst the other is in the repair shop.Didn't realise that UK had no tariffs on cars from the Continent and O/S?!?
Holden's exports in 2002 fell 8 per cent to $1.1 billion, or 18 per cent of revenue. Vehicles and components provided $903 million of those sales, and engines and components the rest.
Mr Hanenberger said unit exports totalled 31,737 vehicles, including higher sales to the Middle East and New Zealand.
Jaguar continues to improve sales in record style, selling more than 130,000 cars in 2002, some 29% higher than the 2001 figure. In the UK, sales rose by 34.7% to 29,739 from 22,119, total sales in Europe were 22.0% higher at 45,205 from 42,944, and in the USA there was 37.4% growth to 61,204 from 44,532. The X-Type Jaguar was the main factor with sales passing the 100,000 mark after having been launched in 2001, the fastest selling Jaguar model of all time. Jaguar's growth is set to continue as the company moves towards an ultimate 150,000 a year once full production has been achieved.
http://www.waitnews.com/jaguar_sales...d_for_2002.htm
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Jul 21st 2003, 1:09 am
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Originally posted by pommie bastard
Jaguar continues to improve sales in record style, selling more than 130,000 cars in 2002, some 29% higher than the 2001 figure. In the UK, sales rose by 34.7% to 29,739 from 22,119, total sales in Europe were 22.0% higher at 45,205 from 42,944, and in the USA there was 37.4% growth to 61,204 from 44,532. The X-Type Jaguar was the main factor with sales passing the 100,000 mark after having been launched in 2001, the fastest selling Jaguar model of all time. Jaguar's growth is set to continue as the company moves towards an ultimate 150,000 a year once full production has been achieved.
Jaguar continues to improve sales in record style, selling more than 130,000 cars in 2002, some 29% higher than the 2001 figure. In the UK, sales rose by 34.7% to 29,739 from 22,119, total sales in Europe were 22.0% higher at 45,205 from 42,944, and in the USA there was 37.4% growth to 61,204 from 44,532. The X-Type Jaguar was the main factor with sales passing the 100,000 mark after having been launched in 2001, the fastest selling Jaguar model of all time. Jaguar's growth is set to continue as the company moves towards an ultimate 150,000 a year once full production has been achieved.