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paulry Aug 2nd 2011 2:29 am

Re: census,2011
 

Originally Posted by jad n rich (Post 9530172)
I tried to do it online, we found the form on the doorstep despite clearly being home:rolleyes:

Anyway, the online version wont work for me, wouldn't accept the codes the dumper had written, I assumed it was too early, so did the paper version. Pity they didnt knock on door, I would have liked a privacy envelope:sneaky:

Same here

IvanM Aug 2nd 2011 10:26 am

Re: census,2011
 
My bad. I missed that gem amongst the rabble.


Originally Posted by DeadVim (Post 9533001)
**** that, I made a decent joke and have got sod all respect for it.


moneypenny20 Aug 2nd 2011 10:33 am

Re: census,2011
 

Originally Posted by fish.01 (Post 9533102)
I tried but computer says NO !!!

A bit like rehab huh? Slippery slope.........

In Exile Aug 2nd 2011 10:58 am

Re: census,2011
 

Originally Posted by IvanM (Post 9532856)
The information is used for decision making and it would be illegal to use it for marketing, not that the info is identifiable in the first place.

what do you mean by identifiable?

Rambi Aug 2nd 2011 11:10 am

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Originally Posted by DeadVim (Post 9533028)
I saw that (and appreciated it) but didn't expect you to be awake at this hour, aren't you usually comatose on Gin and Opium by now?

Daylight savings hasn't started yet. Give it a couple of months. Now where's Doctor Watson at this early hour? :thumbup:

IvanM Aug 2nd 2011 1:19 pm

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Information that if released would give the ability to identify an individual. The data is aggregated.


Originally Posted by In Exile (Post 9533900)
what do you mean by identifiable?


In Exile Aug 2nd 2011 1:59 pm

Re: census,2011
 

Originally Posted by IvanM (Post 9534121)
Information that if released would give the ability to identify an individual. The data is aggregated.

true, but the source data prior to aggregation has a ludicrous amount of identifiable information though.
If that should leak....

moneypenny20 Aug 2nd 2011 2:11 pm

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Very nice chatty lady just delivered mine. :D

IvanM Aug 2nd 2011 2:23 pm

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Massive if considering the way it is secured. The ABS risks its own existence if that data source is accessible to anyone but a select few. Even then all access is logged. The source data is considered sacrosanct to avoid the perception of a lack of integrity. The legislation backing the ABS also requires the security and aggregation.

Originally Posted by In Exile (Post 9534160)
true, but the source data prior to aggregation has a ludicrous amount of identifiable information though.
If that should leak....


In Exile Aug 2nd 2011 3:34 pm

Re: census,2011
 

Originally Posted by IvanM (Post 9534195)
The source data is considered sacrosanct

true.
Although not in the same league I imagine Sony considered the PSN data and payment information to be sacrosanct too :D

I'm just puzzled for the reqirement for so much information, though I'm not quite at the stage of dusting off my tin foil hat and screeching about big brother in a census just yet :D

Brisneyland Aug 2nd 2011 3:48 pm

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Originally Posted by In Exile (Post 9534260)
true.
Although not in the same league I imagine Sony considered the PSN data and payment information to be sacrosanct too :D

I'm just puzzled for the reqirement for so much information, though I'm not quite at the stage of dusting off my tin foil hat and screeching about big brother in a census just yet :D

Sony PSN data. British passport office. Police databases. Immigration databases. amazon cloud. Laptops left on busses. Does any of this ring bells with any of you?

I am truly amazed at how everyone seems to queue up like lemmings and volunteer all this info. Why do they need your name if it's not used for anything?

IvanM Aug 2nd 2011 4:09 pm

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But that Sony information was left stored on computers directly accessible from the net. No identifiable ABS information hits a PC to be lost. Fed gov laptops normally have HDD encryption. Sony was slack and cheap and has had little criminal legal trouble. Private sector and state data had nowhere near the same level of legislation to cover privacy.

I cannot comment much more other than that your information has multiple barriers to access, both physical and technical.

The information asked for is another matter.

Originally Posted by In Exile (Post 9534260)
true.
Although not in the same league I imagine Sony considered the PSN data and payment information to be sacrosanct too :D

I'm just puzzled for the reqirement for so much information, though I'm not quite at the stage of dusting off my tin foil hat and screeching about big brother in a census just yet :D


Dreamy Aug 2nd 2011 4:11 pm

Re: census,2011
 

Originally Posted by DeadVim (Post 9532626)
Madness, you'd be taking leave of your census.

Can't give you any karma.. but it would have been pity karma if I could :D

moneypenny20 Aug 2nd 2011 4:12 pm

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Originally Posted by Brisneyland (Post 9534282)
Sony PSN data. British passport office. Police databases. Immigration databases. amazon cloud. Laptops left on busses. Does any of this ring bells with any of you?

I am truly amazed at how everyone seems to queue up like lemmings and volunteer all this info. Why do they need your name if it's not used for anything?

I hope you don't think that big brother doesn't have all this info on you already in one form or another.:sneaky:

Japonica Aug 2nd 2011 4:13 pm

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Originally Posted by Brisneyland (Post 9534282)
Sony PSN data. British passport office. Police databases. Immigration databases. amazon cloud. Laptops left on busses. Does any of this ring bells with any of you?

I am truly amazed at how everyone seems to queue up like lemmings and volunteer all this info. Why do they need your name if it's not used for anything?

Exactly...we had laptops stolen from government offices back in Canada. I received a letter: sorry, your private information may have been compromised, nothing we can do about it, just thought we'd let you know. If you have an issue, complain to Alberta Health Care.

Er, thanks.

I don't see the need for the level of personal info they are asking for on this census. And does no one find it irritating that you apparently don't have the choice to refuse to answer questions, don't have the right to give false information...like this is the Spanish Inquisition?

Feel free post the Python sketch...:p :p


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