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Old Jul 11th 2004, 6:39 am
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I suggest it may make things easier to swallow if you treat your bosses & work mates as customers.

Imagine you are running a shop selling your service (eg admin work). You'll get all sorts walk in your door. Your task is to take as much money from them in as short a time as possible and have them want to come back time and again. When you have too many customers you carefully raise the price so you maximize income and minimize expenditure on poorer customers.
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Originally posted by Megalania
I suggest it may make things easier to swallow if you treat your bosses & work mates as customers.

Imagine you are running a shop selling your service (eg admin work). You'll get all sorts walk in your door. Your task is to take as much money from them in as short a time as possible and have them want to come back time and again. When you have too many customers you carefully raise the price so you maximize income and minimize expenditure on poorer customers.
Interesting idea. But, I don't believe it'll make any difference. The issue is largely to do with self-esteem related to position and manager, not "Is this job of any value?"

There's no easy solution. But, having a definite plan - of how you're going to move on to a better job/position (if it's feasible) - might help. At least it gives you back some control over your working life. It's easy to understand why people start their own business.
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Originally posted by MikeStanton
having a definite plan - of how you're going to move on to a better job/position (if it's feasible) - might help. At least it gives you back some control over your working life. It's easy to understand why people start their own business.
Very true Mike, and its what gets me from day to day at present. Keep telling yourself you KNOW you can do better, and someone out there has a better job for you, and then makesure you job hunt in a constructive way, in the right areas. No need now to take the first job that comes along after all.
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Originally posted by Pollyana

I'm not saying I wouldn't have come if I'd known this, but being prepared for it would have helped.
Don't want to sound contradictory with you Pol, but you were posting on here for some while before you came out. You must have had a pretty good idea what it was going to be like.
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Originally posted by chippy
Don't want to sound contradictory with you Pol, but you were posting on here for some while before you came out. You must have had a pretty good idea what it was going to be like.
well if you listened to a lot of comments on here, you think it would be easy to do a crappy job when you get there, after all what does a job role really matter when you're in paradise! It's easy to forget - or perhaps it's more a case of not realising - just how much your job influences you as a person and your life.

As for the posting on here before going to Oz and therefore being prepared.....come on, how many times do we have to say it - you can read all the books, websites, etc you like, but nothing prepares you for the real thing.

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Originally posted by chippy
Don't want to sound contradictory with you Pol, but you were posting on here for some while before you came out. You must have had a pretty good idea what it was going to be like.
Fair go! Only came to marry. Work to support.
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Old Jul 11th 2004, 8:45 am
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Don't want to sound contradictory with you Pol, but you were posting on here for some while before you came out. You must have had a pretty good idea what it was going to be like.
Fair comment Chippy, but remember although I had been here and dealt with stuff like banking and post offices and supermarkets, I had never been here and worked. Thats the difference.
I've never encountered "anti-Pom comments" except for this office (and that includes my job at Aus Post, no such attitude there). I knew that I would have to start lower down, because most of my position in the UK was dependent on a very specialist skill that I wouldn't be able to use here. However I did expect to get treated as if I had half a brain and could do a good job without being rubbished all the time.
I don't think you can appreciate what living in a country is like until you have done it - although you can get pointers beforehand, and the same applies for working- until you are in the workplace you can't know what it will be like. And of course other people will have a different experience. I know one mate on this site who has landed a really good job, very quickly, and is enjoying it. Each experience will be individual, some good, some bad.
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Originally posted by Pollyana
Fair comment Chippy, but remember although I had been here and dealt with stuff like banking and post offices and supermarkets, I had never been here and worked. Thats the difference.
I've never encountered "anti-Pom comments" except for this office (and that includes my job at Aus Post, no such attitude there). I knew that would have to start lower down, because most of my position in the UK was dependent on a very specialist skill that I wouldn't be able to use here. However I did expect to get treated as if I had half a brain and could do a good job without being rubbished all the time.
I don't think you can appreciate what living in a country is like until you have done it - although you can get pointers beforehand, and the same applies for working- until you are in the workplace you can't know what it will be like. And of course other people will have a different experience. I know one mate on this site who has landed a really good job, very quickly, and is enjoying it. Each experience will be individual, some good, some bad.
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Sorry to hear that things at work are not great. Hope that you will soon be able to get a new job.

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Old Jul 11th 2004, 9:03 am
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well Debsy, in an attempt to try to live up to the original Pollyana's sunny outlook, I'm sure theres a better job round the corner.....however its easier to say that and be positive on a Sunday afternoon than it will be tomorrow morning!!!
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Getting stick for being a foreigner is probably unavoidable. Poms are always going to get a bit in Australia but then again it works the other way too. My Aussie partner has put up with it working in England for 18 months.

Generally it's meant in a lighthearted way and should be taken as such. If such things get to you then it's probably not wise to move to Oz. Of course, sometimes it can get nasty.
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Originally posted by Pollyana
Fair comment Chippy, but remember although I had been here and dealt with stuff like banking and post offices and supermarkets, I had never been here and worked. Thats the difference.
I've never encountered "anti-Pom comments" except for this office (and that includes my job at Aus Post, no such attitude there). I knew that I would have to start lower down, because most of my position in the UK was dependent on a very specialist skill that I wouldn't be able to use here. However I did expect to get treated as if I had half a brain and could do a good job without being rubbished all the time.
I don't think you can appreciate what living in a country is like until you have done it - although you can get pointers beforehand, and the same applies for working- until you are in the workplace you can't know what it will be like. And of course other people will have a different experience. I know one mate on this site who has landed a really good job, very quickly, and is enjoying it. Each experience will be individual, some good, some bad.
You'll get good people and bad people wherever you go I suppose (including the UK). I hope it works out in the end for you Pol.
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Originally posted by Kentish Man
Getting stick for being a foreigner is probably unavoidable. Poms are always going to get a bit in Australia but then again it works the other way too. My Aussie partner has put up with it working in England for 18 months.

Generally it's meant in a lighthearted way and should be taken as such. If such things get to you then it's probably not wise to move to Oz. Of course, sometimes it can get nasty.
I find some of it very funny - I work with a crowd of ex-mechanics, who now give technical advice over the phone, they are very good, come out with some real witticisms about the UK, and Poms moving here, etc - all meant in fun, and with thm I give as good as I get. Thats the sort of ribbing I expected and was ready for.
Its the stuff which ISN'T meant in fun which annoys me. I'm sure your partner knows what I mean - there are two types of 'teasing', and one is much more fun than the other
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Originally posted by Pollyana
well Debsy, in an attempt to try to live up to the original Pollyana's sunny outlook, I'm sure theres a better job round the corner.....however its easier to say that and be positive on a Sunday afternoon than it will be tomorrow morning!!!
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Ah, thanks Debsy!
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Originally posted by Pollyana
I find some of it very funny - I work with a crowd of ex-mechanics, who now give technical advice over the phone, they are very good, come out with some real witticisms about the UK, and Poms moving here, etc - all meant in fun, and with thm I give as good as I get. Thats the sort of ribbing I expected and was ready for.
Its the stuff which ISN'T meant in fun which annoys me. I'm sure your partner knows what I mean - there are two types of 'teasing', and one is much more fun than the other
Spot on. I fully expect the 'banter' myself when I get out there and I don't reckon it will bother me at all, in fact it can be very funny.

The problem is that there are always one or two people around who aren't in the slightest bit funny and they are often the ones who are most relentless with remarks. Sounds like your boss is one of these types.

Good luck to you anyway and remember there are always alternatives if things get too bad.
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