Carbon tax
Jul 17th 2011 | 9:25 pm
#347
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 899
From: Canberra
Re: Carbon tax
I disagree. Gillard formed a legitimate government. Governments make decisions that change people's lives. That's what governments do. Let them get on with it and if you don't like the results then turf them out at the next election. It's called democracy.
Jul 17th 2011 | 9:48 pm
#350
da Bonehead
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 22,767
From: Lion in da jungle
Re: Carbon tax
I may be a bit of a rarity in that I hold no allegiance to any political party, preferring to judge each policy on it's merits, but in this case that is what is sorely missing. I have seen no credible evidence to suggest there is an issue and even if there was this action does nothing to address it. It purely taxes Australia.
If the global community was serious it would assist the USA and China to do something and get a far better return for it's money.
You don't solve many problems by nibbling at the small fry. You hit the big stuff where the returns are high for less input.
Jul 17th 2011 | 9:52 pm
#351
Account Closed
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 269
Re: Carbon tax
http://www.news.com.au/money/money-m...-1226096932869
Well it certainly looks like the start of my prediction is becoming real
Just so I know, at what point can I say "I told you so"?
Couldn't believe my luck that this came out only one day after you posted that
Ironically it came off the back of one of your gospel-ladden polls
I'm off to the TAB
Well it certainly looks like the start of my prediction is becoming real
Just so I know, at what point can I say "I told you so"?
Couldn't believe my luck that this came out only one day after you posted that
Ironically it came off the back of one of your gospel-ladden polls
I'm off to the TAB
Correct me if I am wrong, but the poll suggests that most of the population do not understand the carbon tax? Yes? So, 2 conclusions can be drawn from that:
1: The Australian public is stupid
2: Labour are crap at explaining.
Which is it?
Furthermore, you stated (which was the point of your diatribe):
"Besides, you watch, the in favour rate will bounce back once there is more education about it"
That poll simply shows that people know nothing about it, not that they will agree with it once they do know! Extrapolating lucid information is a skill, but massaging information to suit your argument is simply the preserve of con artists.
Apart from the fact that your views are now somewhat discredited because of your vested interests, could you please stay on topic and answer some / all of the valid counter arguments? That would make this forum a little less like being in the playground.
Jul 17th 2011 | 10:01 pm
#352
BE Forum Addict
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,237
From: Perth
Re: Carbon tax
...and? I'm not the one who has a problem with conflicts of interest here? You're the one who brought up the Gillard conflict, I simply pointed out that if you want to play that game the other side of politics is equally conflicted. Everyone will have some biaise one way or another, it will affect different people in different ways. I look at this tax purely from a personal stand point and how this will affect my household. On a professional note, I actually don't think this carbon tax will have that much of an impact on my business. The Labor plans are commercially orientated and I doubt much of that $10billion will go to solar. Once you start looking at renewable energy power stations solar PV is not cost efficient and that is where wind farms and solar thermal plants take over.
So in reality there is not much of a conflict there. Keep on mud slinging though. You are clearly determined to argue the man and not the plan!
So in reality there is not much of a conflict there. Keep on mud slinging though. You are clearly determined to argue the man and not the plan!
? How am I attacking the man - it's the whole shebang of disastrous policies this mangled-together government has come up with. I would hope that people are looking at this from a personal household viewpoint as well as how it will affect the country. It just doesn't make sense for individuals or the country as a whole as well as internationally.
Jul 17th 2011 | 10:11 pm
#355
I'm Old Gregg!
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 8,460
From: A Former Bogan Colony in QLD
Re: Carbon tax
What on earth are you talking about?
Correct me if I am wrong, but the poll suggests that most of the population do not understand the carbon tax? Yes? So, 2 conclusions can be drawn from that:
1: The Australian public is stupid
2: Labour are crap at explaining.
Which is it?
Furthermore, you stated (which was the point of your diatribe):
"Besides, you watch, the in favour rate will bounce back once there is more education about it"
That poll simply shows that people know nothing about it, not that they will agree with it once they do know! Extrapolating lucid information is a skill, but massaging information to suit your argument is simply the preserve of con artists.
Apart from the fact that your views are now somewhat discredited because of your vested interests, could you please stay on topic and answer some / all of the valid counter arguments? That would make this forum a little less like being in the playground.
Correct me if I am wrong, but the poll suggests that most of the population do not understand the carbon tax? Yes? So, 2 conclusions can be drawn from that:
1: The Australian public is stupid
2: Labour are crap at explaining.
Which is it?
Furthermore, you stated (which was the point of your diatribe):
"Besides, you watch, the in favour rate will bounce back once there is more education about it"
That poll simply shows that people know nothing about it, not that they will agree with it once they do know! Extrapolating lucid information is a skill, but massaging information to suit your argument is simply the preserve of con artists.
Apart from the fact that your views are now somewhat discredited because of your vested interests, could you please stay on topic and answer some / all of the valid counter arguments? That would make this forum a little less like being in the playground.
The coalition has had 3 months of fear mongering
Jul 17th 2011 | 10:14 pm
#356
I'm Old Gregg!
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 8,460
From: A Former Bogan Colony in QLD
Re: Carbon tax
Furthermore, you stated (which was the point of your diatribe):
"Besides, you watch, the in favour rate will bounce back once there is more education about it"
That poll simply shows that people know nothing about it, not that they will agree with it once they do know! Extrapolating lucid information is a skill, but massaging information to suit your argument is simply the preserve of con artists.
"Besides, you watch, the in favour rate will bounce back once there is more education about it"
That poll simply shows that people know nothing about it, not that they will agree with it once they do know! Extrapolating lucid information is a skill, but massaging information to suit your argument is simply the preserve of con artists.
I said "Well it certainly looks like the start of my prediction is becoming real"
The theory being, once educated, the Australian public will begin to swing back. You really are quite something, please read fully my posts before responding to them.
Jul 17th 2011 | 10:18 pm
#358
I'm Old Gregg!
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 8,460
From: A Former Bogan Colony in QLD
Re: Carbon tax
How am I mud-slinging and no one else here is, including you? How am I attacking the man - it's the whole shebang of disastrous policies this mangled-together government has come up with. I would hope that people are looking at this from a personal household viewpoint as well as how it will affect the country. It just doesn't make sense for individuals or the country as a whole as well as internationally.
? How am I attacking the man - it's the whole shebang of disastrous policies this mangled-together government has come up with. I would hope that people are looking at this from a personal household viewpoint as well as how it will affect the country. It just doesn't make sense for individuals or the country as a whole as well as internationally.This thread is about the Carbon Tax, not me, not Julia Gillard, Rupert Murdoch, Tony Abbott. The fact that you refuse to debate the tax just tells me that you have not bothered at all to familiarise yourself with it, instead believing the propaganda being plastered around by the fear mongerers.
Jul 17th 2011 | 10:19 pm
#359
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Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,237
From: Perth
Re: Carbon tax
Helen, I think you've missed the point regarding the Carbon Tax. The idea is not to encourage the rich domestic consumers to use less electricity - as you point out, they are not likely to be very responsive to a modest increase in the cost of fossil fuel derived electricity. It is designed to encourage a change in the behaviour of electricity producers and the heavy industrial consumers like the steel and aluminium industries. A small increase in the cost of producing or consuming electricity has a big increase on their bottom line. If they can substitute some of their production or consumption with non fossil fuel sources (i.e. carbon neutral "renewable" energy), then that will reduce costs and will give them a competitive advantage. These large corporations are highly price sensitive and the carbon tax will result in a significant incentive to become more efficient and innovate. In the long run, when the world has moved much further towards reducing carbon emissions, Australian industry will have a competitive advantage.
