Wol

Well?

chris955

Yes thanks.

spalen

The only good thing out of this is the comedy value in the stupid adverts from queen gillard.

" I want to talk to YOU today " - then I switched off.

Viva la revolucion !

Rambi

Giving people more money to spend on consumer goods is hardly likely to reduce carbon consumption.

jad n rich

Few people at work moaning this morning about the family on $150,000 being the ones hit AGAIN.

Soon people will be better off on 60K with all the benefits on top.

Not much incentive here to work hard is there

spalen

I declined to comment on that. the actual paying of it...... Im paying all of this crap through the nose and the flood levy, and the whatever-else-levy they think of, medicare limit increased , etc etc

Its usual BS from Labor.

Rambi

I guess turning off is making carbon savings already. You're delivering a quick win for her already. The revolution is doomed.

Rambi

Personally I'd rather be on $150k than $60k but maybe that's just me.

Amazulu

A dogs breakfast. Gillard and, especially, Combet looked scared shitless in their press conference. They know it's a cock-up and will not be able to sell it to the people.

They are dead men walking.

jad n rich

I'd be interested to see how the 2 families would compare. I'd expect the 150 family to be somewhat better off but nowhere near the double/treble image people might expect.

You know, minus flood levy, medicare surcharge, little or no family benefits, 40k tax....

Then 60K plus family benefits, childcare payments, rent assistance, minimal tax...

I did see the figures done in the howard years, it was quite a shock, think it was done on 50k V 100K.

Charismatic

But you have to look like you are doing something because it will give you the moral high ground in international politics.

Anyway even if you aren't that taken by arguments or data supporting a global warming hypothesis it would be a good idea to get a grip on using fossil resources in the long term. So you offer people a carrot and stick, then take away the carrot later .

Wol

I'm speechless! The discombobulated "policies" (my quotes) of this "government" (ditto) just keep getting more far side.

You want to cut down emissions, the increase of which is caused by increasing population, so you put a tax on them - and reimburse especially those who are increasing the population.

You tax the big polluters - and then give rebates to such industries as steelmaking.

You want to cut down on energy usage - so you *don't* put the tax on petrol.

Then you and your mates all up and fly backwards and forwards across the country selling the unsellable, burning kerosine all the time.

Juliar almost made me throw up with her to-the-camera yesterday - what a clown!

Gibbo

They couldn't organise a successful chook raffle.

Brisneyland

Or work at all. Reminds me of the UK under Blair/Brown. But they will keep getting re-elected as the people who benefit are in the majority. The lunatics really have taken over the asylum.

Rambi

Unlikely to be 3 times better off (as 3x60=180). But still better off. I know people like to think "free" money is better than earned money but it isn't really. Also, even if the person on 60 is getting assistance, the basic costs will still form a higher proportion of their income than for the higher earner. That's one of the reasons most countries have a progressive tax system.