Originally Posted by krunchynutt (Post 7059533)

I agree with you, but there are far too many animal rights activists and doo gooders who are too blind to see the bigger picture.

Originally Posted by Grayling (Post 7059622)

They are not all shot for food...they are mostly shot for sport and the bodies left to rot or end up as crab bait.

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Originally Posted by TiddlyPom (Post 7059723)

Do tell, what is the bigger picture we're missing?

What's the advantage in cruelty over non cruelty precisely?

Originally Posted by krunchynutt (Post 7060426)

IF the death is fast there is no cruelty in either method. I would think any animal would go to sleep when being frozen, humans do the same but the feel pain, as to toads not feeling pain, I doubt it would be painless but if I am wrong I apologise and stand corrected.

Originally Posted by krunchynutt (Post 7060426)

Anyway I cannot see what the fuss is about there are more things to worry about, ie babies being killed by adults, child abuse and such than to worry about how a few toads may suffer, personally I don't care if they suffer or not, I would however not be happy to see a kangaroo shot for nothing.

Originally Posted by TiddlyPom (Post 7060437)

That's the point. Usually the bashing death is not fast.



Ok, cool. You're for bashing toads, but against shooting roos.

Ok, good well I'm glad we clarified that.

Originally Posted by krunchynutt (Post 7060426)

IF the death is fast there is no cruelty in either method. I would think any animal would go to sleep when being frozen, humans do the same but the feel pain, as to toads not feeling pain, I doubt it would be painless but if I am wrong I apologise and stand corrected.

I did not say anyone one here is missing the bigger picture but there are certainly a lot of activists who take things too far, in the UK they dug up a dead body to try and make a point and have attacked people.

Anyway I cannot see what the fuss is about there are more things to worry about, ie babies being killed by adults, child abuse and such than to worry about how a few toads may suffer, personally I don't care if they suffer or not, I would however not be happy to see a kangaroo shot for nothing.

Originally Posted by krunchynutt (Post 7060460)

Dont miss quote people, that is not what is written

Originally Posted by TiddlyPom (Post 7057347)

Christ almighty!

I get so freaking tired of saying this. Stop torturing the freaking animals. No salt, no domestos, no detol, no golf clubs...

Just pick them up, put them in a plastic tuppaware box and pop them into the freezer and they go to sleep and then die. It's really easy.

They're still animals. You don't club cute fluffy feral kittens to death do you? Cane toads still feel pain just the same as cute fluffy animals do.
Burning them with salt and detol is hugely cruel. So is putting a fork through them.

It's a joke. There are so many introduced animals in Australia. Even dingos aren't 'native' but they've been here so long that Australia thinks they're the native dog.
Cows and sheep aren't native. Blackbirds aren't native. Pigs aren't native...

Humans do far worse damage to the environment in Australia... Look what we've done with farming ... turned much of the place into a desert.
Ironically, the toads were imported from Hawaii to get rid of the Greyback beetle, which was destroying the sugarcane crop. Problem was, the beetle could fly and the Cane Toad couldn't. DOH!
Just another example of sheer stupidity... like bringing rabbits over for food and introducing foxes here so the posh twits could go hunting.

In 2002 the Aus gvt said that it was working on something which would stop the tadpoles of the Cane toads developing into full toads, but I've heard nothing more since. There's also talk of introducing a parasite which will stop the lungs of the toad working and they'll die quickly.

But the bottom line is that cane toads are hugely sucessful breeders and unless you are searching the waterways for their eggs (like a chain or rope of spawn in usually still water) then you haven't got a cat in hell's chance of controlling them by killing them off every night unless there's a community wide approach to doing so.

Aussies used to keep toads as pets. You might like to have a giggle and watch this some time:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS.../broughsbooks/


But please don't think it's acceptable to torture animals, just because they're amphibians.

Originally Posted by ray2gill (Post 7062575)

My God I bet your the type of person who would love to go on a Seal pup bashing spree as well.

Originally Posted by ray2gill (Post 7062575)

As in the Middle East you just don't get it do you! If society doesn't look after its animals who have no voice, then society will not move on an improve itself and the welfare of the human race.

Originally Posted by ray2gill (Post 7062575)

I am not an animal rights activist and I object to these people and the way they do things. However if an animal needs to be put down then there is no reason or excuse for it not to be done humanely.

Originally Posted by krunchynutt (Post 7062865)

a quick blow to the head

Originally Posted by TiddlyPom (Post 7063022)

Have you had a quick blow to the head? This is the point of the thread. That is, that it is quite often NOT a quick blow to the head... it's repeated blows with different instruments which do not kill and which leave animals to bleed to death in pain for much longer. THAT is the point, which you keep missing.



So far, that's twice you've projected human emotions on amphibians. This is called 'anthropomorphism' fyi. You have no idea whether the toad feels fear about getting cold yet you use it to justify bashing something over the head.
:zzz:

Originally Posted by noidea (Post 7062832)

I think you are a hypocrite.

You are upset because someone may or may not kill a toad with a bat, which if performed correctly will result in instant death.

Originally Posted by krunchynutt (Post 7066564)

I think you just say anything that comes into your head and think you are an expert. fyi being scared is not just a human emotion all animals get scared, so take your anthropomorphism and use it in the correct context.
or shove it in your freezer. END OF DISCUSSION.

Originally Posted by TiddlyPom (Post 7057600)

Sorry for jumping to the wrong conclusion.
Can't imagine how kids can be allowed to roam the neighbourhood wandering into gardens at will, torturing animals.
And as for you stopping it, I guess you can always get involved with a local group who rounds these creatures up and disposes of them by freezing... or why not even speak to the kids? Or write to your local paper? Or ask your council about starting up a local frog watch group if you haven't got one.